Originally Posted By: MarcC
 Originally Posted By: pedestrian
if the middle has already passed belayer, on the other hand, then simulclimbing or some other Plan B will be required. If the two seconds are not capable of simulclimbing, the leader should lead short pitches and establish extra belays, or the party should carry two ropes.

Not to particularly pick on pedestrian, but I disagree with this, too. A party of three carries two ropes. Period. No simul-climging, no cows-tail tie-ins, no middle tie ins. It's a 250' route, with a level, 10 minute approach. Saving all 8 lbs of the extra weight of a second rope is less than stellar thinking.


On High E, sure. You shouldn't be simulclimbing or cowtailing the first 60m pitch. For shorter routes than High E however there is no reason.