Originally Posted By: Julie

You're still saying that different rules apply to you because you climb 5.12.

It's the symbolism that carries the insult to the huddled masses, not the gear. That's what ethics are about.

I wish you well too, but that doesn't change my mind about the ethics of it.


Sorry Julie, but even at a place like the Gunks, which prides itself as an ethically consistent place (and rightfully so), the ethics and style quite frequently change as the difficulty increases. High E, Foops, and Vandals went up in different styles from one another; ground-up onsight, projected, and hung dog, respectively. You can call it "insulting," or "elitist," or whatever, but the reality is that routes can be climbed in very different ways. I would be very interested to hear how much fixed gear was on Kansas City for the FFA.