Isn't it funny how when folks who climb high grades bring new ways to the cliff, it's visionary blazing of a new horizon that no one has the cajones to question ... but when ordinary folks bring new ways to the cliff (ie, more fixed anchors at Skytop, in the other thread) it's disparaged as the degeneration of climbing by the huddled masses?

Ethics, elitism, and money - more intermingled than advertised. So many things, masquerading as "ethics".