Rob- Purgatory, for good or bad, has bolts and I was not too proud to use them. Granted they are not exactly close together in spots but they'll keep you off the ground. It'll take an assortment of cams from .4-2" but most of those spots were covered in ice or near bolts (go figure). It was certainly in easier than normal condition (grade Smike 3/3-) so I suppose I still need to do it for normal condition and without the bolts.