Anybody been on there recently that can comment on them?
Searching old posts here I seem them referred to as poor in 2004, and "ticking time bombs" in 2006. A post on mountain project last month says they both suck, with the first bent and not set in the hole well and the second being a joke.
I'm guessing the MP post is probably still the current status.
Is there reasonable gear to back them up and that is why they have been left to deteriorate?