Originally Posted By: pitfall
Have we no standards here people?

I think those Standards went out away past their "tipping point" at least five years ago.
Goes with the principle that "If climbing had no real risk, there would be point in doing it."

Abundantly disproven nowadays by the continuing success and growth of indoor gym climbing. Seems fairly clear that the majority of people who climb regularly in the metro NY/NJ area choose to climb outdoors either Never or Almost Never.
(I heard someone say there was a recent survey finding that majority also for the U.S. climbers nationwide.)

Just go to an indoor gym within 30 miles of Manhattan and randomly ask people if they've climbed in the Gunks. See how many say "What's that?"

Ken