OK fine, I will not post any more complaints to off topic posts, except one more. AOR, you are off topic, if you want to post I think that's fine, but please make it about serious ice climbing problems next time, thanks.

Edited by donald perry (01/21/13 06:56 AM)
The Mohonk Mountain House and the Mohonk Preserve have done a great job protecting the environment thus far, but ... it's all down hill from here http://youtu.be/9AU8fMo8v4k.