Originally Posted By: donald perry
OK fine, I will not post any more complaints to off topic posts, except one more. AOR, you are off topic, if you want to post I think that's fine, but please make it about serious ice climbing problems next time, thanks.

This is respectfully submitted to you...
I was desperately trying to do you a favor. Please look past the purported attack you perceived I was committing, as I wasn't. I was simply suggesting that you end your quest for whatever answer(s) you were seeking in this thread.