You guys are getting way off topic.

Anyway, I can see there is a problem when you are putting up a new route and the holds start breaking off, and the breaks may turn out to be negative. Whereas if you had pulled on the hold differently, it would have actually left a positive hold.

Is there any room for argument here?

Edited by donald perry (02/25/13 02:40 AM)
The Mohonk Mountain House and the Mohonk Preserve have done a great job protecting the environment thus far, but ... it's all down hill from here