"never been on Twilight zone.. over my head."
For a long time people worked on it, it finally went free at 5.13b with the help of a crow bar.
As I understand it, at the time there were a group of climbers who liked to go to a quarry and use chisels who eventually found themselves on this climb.
My point of bringing it up is that, I think if it is OK to use a crow bar on Twilight Zone, then it how can anyone say it is not OK to use it everywhere else?
The Mohonk Mountain House and the Mohonk Preserve have done a great job protecting the environment thus far, but ... it's all down hill from here http://youtu.be/9AU8fMo8v4k.