No, you misunderstood me. I am talking to the people who like to chip rock in the Gunks and invent new boulder problems this way. I am sure there is more than one guy, and I would imagine that the people here SHOULD know who they are.

I am just using the name Alex rather than Ivan because I do not want to use *anyone's* real name.

In the defense of Alex I would say that whatever he did, no one should go back there and out of spite chisel some more. Alex is chiseling to invent climbs at least, bring things down to his grade, that's the good news. The bad news is he is doing so without consulting the climbing community or the land owners first to get permition.

So it's not the end of the world, unless he does not start talking and change his game plan. [In other words he is not aiding up boulder problems and chipping the holds off.]
The Mohonk Mountain House and the Mohonk Preserve have done a great job protecting the environment thus far, but ... it's all down hill from here