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#10769 - 12/13/03 10:56 PM Re: Winter traverse preparation [Re: edk]
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So what skill set do you need to undertake this type of epic?

What would be some similar trips to help you ramp up for such an attempt?

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#10770 - 12/14/03 10:29 PM Re: Winter traverse preparation [Re: webmaster]
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Registered: 02/11/00
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The best "apprenticeship" is some years of just single or multi-day winter camping and mountaineering trips. When I first started with this stuff I did lots of solo winter trips to the Daks and stayed at Marcy Dam in the lean to's for days at a time and roamed through the high peaks summiting most of them in winter eventually. The idea is just to get comfortable with being outside and in the cold for extended periods.
I have to say it was ultimately the most rewarding thing I could have done to build up this kind of experience slowly, all by myself. I never felt like I needed to be guided up anything that I wanted to climb.
After a few years of this I was ready for the Presidential Traverse, which I did with a group of similarly experienced friends.
Especially in a small group everyone should be strong and experienced and you all have to watch out for each other.
You also have to gain as much experience as possible judging weather conditions. As someone else said, you don't want to be out there when the weather is really bad. This kind of Mountaineering or any serious Mountaineering is all about waiting for the right conditions and even then you have to be prepared for things to change- the mountains are unpredictable sometimes.
My best partner in the mountains was literally someone who grew up in the mountains- his father was a ranger in the Daks. People like this develop a "sixth sense" about the mountains which is invaluable. Reinhold Messner also writes about this. If you know when to retreat, you will be much more likely to survive in the mountains. So many accidents you read about could have prevented only if... the "unlucky" victims had known when to turn back.
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#10771 - 12/16/03 03:32 PM Re: Winter traverse preparation [Re: phlan]
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Loc: pdx
I went backcountry snowboarding out west for years before doing my silly solo trips. You really need to build up weather sense and lower the old ego. You've got to be ready to say, nope, not today and get the hell out, especially if you're solo.

i find that general fitness is really importatnt too. Its so much nicer to be super fit and ready for much more than you're going to face.

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#10772 - 12/19/03 02:09 PM Re: Winter traverse preparation [Re: crackers]
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Registered: 12/12/03
Posts: 13
Loc: Northern New Joisey
Check out these photos from a Presidential Traverse attempt by someone on my web site forum, they are pretty good.

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#10773 - 12/19/03 07:59 PM Re: Winter traverse preparation [Re: Plumbutt]
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Registered: 04/19/01
Posts: 137
Loc: southern NJ
Great pics... reminds you of how gruesome the whites can get! My last experience on Washington in winter (many years ago) was under stellar conditions - crystal clear, cold, bluebird skies during the day... at the start, under starry skies, I remember ice crystals falling as if from no where. Planning a traverse for this New Years - hope the conditions are better than those in the pics!

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#66961 - 11/27/12 01:44 PM Re: Winter traverse preparation [Re: groundhog]
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Registered: 07/18/03
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Planning on hopping on the presidential traverse early next year. Anyone want to join me?

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