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#10841 - 12/28/03 09:24 PM Powder
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I had the best day of snowboarding yesterday. We rode off piste all day long, with ten to fifteen minute hikes at most. We made all the lines, and watched as we skiied the powder out all by ourselves. Turks generally don't ski powder. It was so fantastic.

hows the snow in America? or switzerland for that matter? or japan?

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#10842 - 12/29/03 07:56 AM Re: Powder [Re: crackers]
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The snow in Switzerland is getting good again this week. From late October to mid November we had some great early season condition. Two weekends in a row I was skiing in knee to mid thigh deep powder. Then the later half of November and the begining of december were warm and the conditions sucked. I spent 160 sfr repairing my skies after I got a couple major gouges in them. I have skied 5 days so far and will ski on Dec. 30, 31 and Jan 1. A group of us will ski up to a hut in the mountains for new years eve. Happy New Year everyone.
Paul

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#10843 - 12/29/03 08:58 AM Re: Powder [Re: hartmann]
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sounds awesome.

i am going to go to berlin for silvester. No snow for downhill, but good friends...

happy new year!
graham

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#10844 - 12/29/03 11:31 PM Re: Powder [Re: crackers]
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hows the snow in America?

The Northeast got hit by a warm Nor'easter last week, so most of the areas out here got lots of rain. Can't speak for the rest of the Rockies, but the two areas I'm visiting this season--Jackson Hole and Alta--have been getting pounded. JH had the tram running on opening day (early Dec.), the first time I've seen that happen since I started skiing there in '98. They've gotten over 150" of snow already and have all their terrain open. Early conditions in Utah have been fantastic. Alta opened practically all of the mountain on day 1 and has gotten over 250" of the light stuff, with 50" in 50 hours just a few days ago.

By the way, the skiing at both areas sucks. Don't go there.

Turks generally don't ski powder.

Apparently, neither do Iranians. Here's an excerpt from an amusing 2002 NY Times article on skiing in Iran (Mr. Alguren is Sweedish):
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DIZIN, Iran, Feb. 15

You know you are skiing in the Islamic Republic of Iran when:

a) Men and women wait in separate lift lines, even if married.

b) The dour woman tented in black standing next to the man checking the tickets tells all women wearing just ski hats on their heads that they are flouting Islamic dress codes and should find a head scarf, quickly.

c) With a $5 lift ticket, a skier can spend all day floating down through virgin powder; never compelled to ski the same slope twice; or stick to wide, somewhat groomed slopes similar to those in the Rockies or Alps.

In recent years, with the advent of the more open-minded outlook of President Muhammad Khatami, the more rigid aspects of sexual segregation that once defined skiing at this high, sunny resort have eased. Dizin used to have two ski patrols; the regular kind, looking for broken legs, and a second, vigilant for lose morals.

Skiers now no longer face choosing between 30 lashes or a $100 fine for infractions like skiing with members of the opposite sex. It is just one example of how the Iranian government is trying to satisfy the aspirations of this country's restive youth: about half the nearly 70 million people are under 20.
. . . .

"If you have a snowfall in Chamonix, you basically have until lunchtime to find untouched snow, then you might as well go home," said Mr. Alguren, noting that Iranians avoid skiing off piste. "It snowed two days ago and there is still untouched snow."

He pointed out a long series of S turns carved in slope after slope. "All those tracks up there are ours," he crowed.

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#10845 - 12/30/03 05:38 PM Re: Powder [Re: Daniel]
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its been freezing in colorado(decided to stay home when i say it was -11 and 25mph wind at winter park on sunday), but we did get some recent snow. been pretty dry though - i've been once in colorado at copper mountain and there were small trees poking through the snow on lots of the runs. skiing in utah has been awesome this year. so good that i am moving there in a few weeks
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#10846 - 12/30/03 06:27 PM Re: Powder [Re: crackers]
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Change in plans for New Year. We've gotten to much snow here in the last few days. The avalanche danger is to high for ski touring where we wanted to go. Eleven people were buried in avalanches yesterday in five seperate avalanches. All lived, but six did go to the hospital. There were also several reported avalanches in which no one was caught. Instead I'm heading to Pontresina ice climbing. I have a 270m (840 feet) route planned .
Paul


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#10847 - 12/31/03 10:52 PM Re: Powder [Re: Daniel]
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Early conditions in Utah have been fantastic. Alta opened practically all of the mountain on day 1 and has gotten over 250" of the light stuff, with 50" in 50 hours just a few days ago.




Basically it hasn't stopped snowing at Alta ever since Xmas day. It's varied in intensity from trace flurries to 2" / hour. Little Cottonwood Canyon closed Xmas night and Alta went into interlodge which wasn't lifted till Saturday morning and the LCC road didn't reopen till about 11am. Right now, after two storms and 80" over the past 6 days, we're looking at another storm that looks to dump an additional 2 to 4 feet by Sunday. The skiing has been/is better than all of last January and February and is pretty fantastic.

Yesterday I happened to be in the right place at the right time. Was just getting off the Germ lift when patrol dropped the rope on Baldy Shoulder. I was among the first 50 or so out there. It had been closed for the past 5 days (and was reclosed today as all the east facing stuff due to wind loading) - Harold's was waist deep, and that was on phat skis. Jitterbug, Stonecrusher, High Rustler, et al were heavily cut up but still super soft and knee to crotch deep. You didn't really turn as much as float down Gunsight into Greeley Bowl.
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#10848 - 01/02/04 08:30 PM Re: Powder [Re: Daniel]
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The Northeast got hit by a warm Nor'easter last week, so most of the areas out here got lots of rain. Can't speak for the rest of the Rockies, but the two areas I'm visiting this season--Jackson Hole and Alta--have been getting pounded. JH had the tram running on opening day (early Dec.), the first time I've seen that happen since I started skiing there in '98. They've gotten over 150" of snow already and have all their terrain open.




Ugh -- supposed to rain in upstate NY and VT all this weekend. No boarding for me. On Jackson Hole, I read that they got 5 feet of new snow since Christmas Day! I'm heading out there March 10-15 for the first time, I am so friggin' psyched I can't stand it. Been surfing their website daily. It's really unproductive . . .
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#10849 - 01/02/04 09:40 PM Re: Powder [Re: nerdom]
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It's really unproductive . . .

I'm assuming you mean your daily work product the closer you get to your departure date...

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#10850 - 01/03/04 04:35 PM Re: Powder [Re: Judge11]
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its dumping in colorado now, finally. went to breckenridge yesterday, and it was ok - but next week should be great. we've had 5 inches in denver since last night, and a lot more in the high country. skiing this weekend or next week should be good, though still not as good as utah.
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#10851 - 01/05/04 12:57 PM Re: Powder [Re: andrew]
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Had 4ft of snow on Thurday/Fri in Cali and skied at Kirkwood (outside of Tahoe) on Sat. Since most everything was closed on Fri due to Avi dangers, on Saturday I made turns through untouched knee deep powder.

Andrew, how is the snow conditions near Keystone coming along. Have a conference out there from 1/24 to 1/30 (meetings from 7-10am then off until 7:30pm to do whatever you want and then meetings from 7:30pm to 10pm so I'm packing my tele gear and ice gear).

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#10852 - 01/09/04 02:12 AM Re: Powder [Re: crackers]
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hey graham
what kind of set up do you use for boarding powder. we went out to tahoe today and there was a lot of wet powder and pretty much every tim ei hit a big patch i would basically grind to a snails pace. i pushed the bindings to the rearmost holes, but i probably need to give em a wax.
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#10853 - 01/09/04 11:52 PM Re: Powder [Re: CrackBoy]
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Sounds like you need a good wax job (Last weekend needed about 50/50 cold and warm weather wax)... or maybe a longer board

I'm headin up to the South Lake (tahoe) area tonight... we'll be skinnin up Tallac on Saturday and Ralston on Sunday.

Set-up;
Burton S Series Split 170

Just pulled it out of the box last night, filed down the nose, tuned down the edges, and put on some cold-weather wax.

Zach
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#10854 - 01/10/04 03:40 AM Re: Powder [Re: Chas]
andrew Offline

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chas - pretty thin around keystone. i don't ski there much, but i'm going to copper mountain tomorrow which should be pretty similar - 35" mid mountain base last time i checked, so nowhere near what you guys have in utah or tahoe. we had really strong winds that blew all the nice snow away unfortunately, and the storm fizzled out quick. i went to winter park on thursday and it was better there, though still icy and thin in places. vail is probably your best bet, but that isn't a surprise, eh.
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#10855 - 01/10/04 09:33 PM Re: Powder Riding [Re: CrackBoy]
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feet back, wax wax wax. remember to lift your nose when you're riding pow. Turn on your back foot alone if you're sinking, wheras on hard pack you can make front foot turns. As you get more used to it, and start going 35+ mph, you wont have to lift your nose anymore. ps: tell tail sign for need wax is the crystal buildup on the bottom of your board after a run. Are the crystals interconnected? then you need LOTS of wax...

Board length in pow really depends on steepness and center of gravity. If you're riding steeps-wasatch front chutes etcetera-you really dont want a long board unless you're really really good. (control keeps your head away from the rocks...) But if your cog is real low, you'll need a bit longer deck. I find that in my experience riding, board length is totally overrated for floatation versus mere waist, tail width, and nose profile. In 94 when boards were really stiff pos'es, you needed a longer board because you just couldnt flex the nose up for beans. My circa '94 fat bob plank, a 168, has the same waist as my circa '97 jamie lynn XL, which is a 158. It is my personal opinion that most people havent really riden that many decks to realize that length is not the end all or be all, and there is a leftover conception from the early days that length was the only way to make a great powder stick. For example, winterstick, a company that pioneered BC snowboarding along with voile in SLC, used to make 210's. Now the same model is 185. Boards are shrinking...but salesmen don't know it. (think about it: if you do a lot of BC, you generally work as ski patrol or at a real job. its not for amateurs. people in *most* gear shops are...)

we were in another knee deep day, i'll put some pictures up on wednesday to show the terrain we're riding.

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#10856 - 01/12/04 06:32 AM Re: Powder Riding [Re: crackers]
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considering i am a poor grad student, and the likelyhood of buying a new board is none, not when i can buy more climbing stuff, i will go with the wax job.

zach, what would be the best mix for the weather we have been having or is it something i should just get and do it myself accordingly?
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#10857 - 01/12/04 03:38 PM Re: Powder Riding [Re: CrackBoy]
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Well, it wasn't knee-deep powder, but Hunter Mountain has done a fantastic job of making lots and lots of snow during this cold spell. Conditions yesterday were fantastic. For its proximity to the City, it really is a gem. Nice, packed, groomed trails, with lots of fluff on the edges. Heading to Okemo for this coming weekend. Can't wait.

In the meantime, I've nearly exhausted the 4-year archive of Jackson Hole's website's "Photo of the Day" . . .
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#10858 - 01/12/04 07:48 PM Re: Powder Riding [Re: CrackBoy]
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considering i am a poor grad student, and the likelyhood of buying a new board is none, not when i can buy more climbing stuff, i will go with the wax job.

zach, what would be the best mix for the weather we have been having or is it something i should just get and do it myself accordingly?




Wax is just a piece of the puzzle when considering tools for different conditions. In all honesty, though, any snowboard beats the hell out of skis in powder.

I was out with 50/50 cold weather and warm weather wax this weekend, and it served me well.... until the bottom 3rd of Ralston on Sunday... turned from corn to super-glue in the span of 200 feet. Not much you can do for heavy, watery snow; just stay back on your board and take your time turning... of course, you can always do hip-snap/jump turns - my personal favorite when scared out of my mind.

I'll probably stick with this wax mixture for a few more weeks... depending on the forecast.

Also, I don't know much about your board, but... If you haven't blunted the hell out of the nose and tail of your board, DO IT. Take a file all the way around to the widest point of the nose or tail and blunt the hell out of it. This will keep it from biting in Sierra Cement.

Zach
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#10859 - 01/13/04 08:10 AM Re: Powder Riding [Re: zachres]
hartmann Offline
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"In all honesty, though, any snowboard beats the hell out of skis in powder."

I'm probably in the minority now, but I'll still take my skis over a snowboard in powder (or anywhere else).

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#10860 - 02/09/04 11:49 PM Re: Powder Riding [Re: hartmann]
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I just moved to Salt Lake City last week, and spent the weekend AT skiing in the backcountry. Holy god. Knee to waist deep powder, and no tracks yet(at least where I went). It makes up for how many hours I spent shoveling snow from my entombed driveway when I moved in.
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#10861 - 02/12/04 05:26 PM Re: Powder Riding [Re: andrew]
crackers Offline
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its incredible out in SLC isnt it?

what neighborhood are you living in?

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#10862 - 02/16/04 05:22 PM Re: Powder Riding [Re: crackers]
andrew Offline

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i'm living at the entrance to mill creek canyon. i really dig it - i can be touring in less than 5 minutes from my house. now if i can only get off the road for a week so i can enjoy it.
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