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#21221 - 06/09/06 07:38 PM Re: is Glen Hoagland a climber? [Re: oenophore]
smokejumper1 Offline
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Registered: 04/06/06
Posts: 75
Loc: NY, CA, Deutschland
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Is that relevant to this thread?





You mean you don't see the connection? too much wein?

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#21222 - 06/09/06 08:57 PM Re: is Glen Hoagland a climber? [Re: oenophore]
mworking Offline
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Registered: 05/26/04
Posts: 764
Quote:

Is that relevant to this thread?




If you are referring to my post yes it is. Someone is acting as though Glen Hoagland ought to respond here. If he is not a climber I doubt he bothers to read this site. and of course will never respond here.

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#21223 - 06/09/06 09:49 PM Re: Dear Glen Hoagland [Re: smokejumper1]
Daniel Offline
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Registered: 05/23/01
Posts: 1515
Imagine you bought a product from a company and something is wrong with it, you bring it to the companies attention and they present you with a list of people who have not had a problem with their product. You would probably go ape sh*t .

Maybe, but I wouldn't expect going ape sh*t to get me any better treatment or solve my problem. Instead, I think the customer service folk would say "We don't need this kind of abuse" and ignore me. That's my instinct when someone gets in my grill, and I think it's a pretty common reaction.

If you think someone Mr. Hoagland is in denial, feel free to point it out. But I don't think doing so in an accusatory, abrasive way will induce him to respond. Venting can be a fine exercise and can inform the rest of us, but it's aimed mainly at the rest of the community here instead of actually getting a response from the person addressed.

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#21224 - 06/09/06 09:57 PM Re: Dear Glen Hoagland [Re: Daniel]
smokejumper1 Offline
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Registered: 04/06/06
Posts: 75
Loc: NY, CA, Deutschland
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Imagine you bought a product from a company and something is wrong with it, you bring it to the companies attention and they present you with a list of people who have not had a problem with their product. You would probably go ape sh*t .

Maybe, but I wouldn't expect going ape sh*t to get me any better treatment or solve my problem. Instead, I think the customer service folk would say "We don't need this kind of abuse" and ignore me. That's my instinct when someone gets in my grill, and I think it's a pretty common reaction.

If you think someone Mr. Hoagland is in denial, feel free to point it out. But I don't think doing so in an accusatory, abrasive way will induce him to respond. Venting can be a fine exercise and can inform the rest of us, but it's aimed mainly at the rest of the community here instead of actually getting a response from the person addressed.





Daniel, Try not to be so thin skinned. My post was not abrasive, it pointed out the facts. Try not to get your panties in a bunch about me using the word lie. It was not that harsh of a word.

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#21225 - 06/10/06 12:11 AM Re: Dear Glen Hoagland [Re: smokejumper1]
Daniel Offline
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Registered: 05/23/01
Posts: 1515
I don't have my panties in a bunch--which is another example of how to turn people off from listening to you. And it's not about being thin skinned. It's about how a respectful approach is more likely to get a response than a disrespectful one, even if the latter is more deserved. That's all.

Maybe you're an exception, but which approach would you react better to: one that accuses you of being consistently evasive and/or deceiful, or one that says "I don't think you've really addressed my questions, here are my examples, so could you please provide more detail or be more on point concerning x, y, and z"? There's no way to make someone address certain issues if he insists on avoiding them, but the latter seems much more promising to me than the former. And if you adopt the former, I don't think you should really expect a response, though it's fine for venting if that's what you really want to do. I vent every once in a while; I just realize that that's what I'm doing and that it's not going to get anyone to behave differently or get my issues addressed.

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#21226 - 06/10/06 12:49 AM Re: Dear Glen Hoagland [Re: Daniel]
strat Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 04/30/01
Posts: 4242
Daniel, I think you are being naive to think that Smokejumper1 actually believes that writing what she/he is writing is actually about addressing the issue.

By smokejumper1's posts it is clear that she/he is not stupid and does not live in some lala land. She/he knew when the thread was initiated that Glenn Hoagland would not respond here. Him responding to an anonymous person on an internet forum is about one of the least professional things that he could do.

No, this thread is not about getting an actual response from Glenn Hoagland, as much as it is for smokejumper1 to have an audience of climbers to bash on her/his enemy in front of. It's actually a pretty clever pr campaign for the non-friends of the Mohonk Preserve considering what a high percentage of the Preserve's revenue comes from climbers...

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#21227 - 06/12/06 05:25 PM Re: Dear Glen Hoagland [Re: strat]
smokejumper1 Offline
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Registered: 04/06/06
Posts: 75
Loc: NY, CA, Deutschland
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Daniel, I think you are being naive to think that Smokejumper1 actually believes that writing what she/he is writing is actually about addressing the issue.

By smokejumper1's posts it is clear that she/he is not stupid and does not live in some lala land. She/he knew when the thread was initiated that Glenn Hoagland would not respond here. Him responding to an anonymous person on an internet forum is about one of the least professional things that he could do.

No, this thread is not about getting an actual response from Glenn Hoagland, as much as it is for smokejumper1 to have an audience of climbers to bash on her/his enemy in front of. It's actually a pretty clever pr campaign for the non-friends of the Mohonk Preserve considering what a high percentage of the Preserve's revenue comes from climbers...




Strat, Nice post, but I'd like to clarify a few things. I would not classify myself as a "non friend of the Mohonk Preserve" no more than I would classify myself as a "non friend to America" I am just really unhappy with the current administrations. Bush especially, but Hoagland is a close second. As I have said before, the Mohonk Preserve is a great idea, but one that I refuse to support while they engage in their current land aqusition practices, the multitude of unfriendly neighborly relations and their bullsh@t tax exempt status, to name a few. I would also say that I am not interested in bashing but more into discussing and resolving. That is what a forum is for. I like to hear all sides of the story, unfortunatly, some posters (phlan included) will enter into a discussion without an open mind. This is too bad, I would like nothing more than to be shown why I should give my money to the Preserve. So far I see too many reasons to donate elsewhere.

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#21228 - 06/12/06 05:31 PM Re: Dear Glen Hoagland [Re: smokejumper1]
strat Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 04/30/01
Posts: 4242
<< I would also say that I am not interested in bashing but more into discussing and resolving. >>

I'm sorry, but, these words are not those of someone who is into discussing and resolving.

"Glen Hoagland(AKA caca de pollo)

Thanks Dad....

Is Kevin the resident humorless ass around here? I'm sorry I offended you kev.

If you read into it more than that, you are this site's true humorless ass. Now go decompress "

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#21229 - 06/12/06 06:04 PM Re: Dear Glen Hoagland [Re: strat]
Smike Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 3143
Loc: in your backyard
ThatÂ’s the greatest thing about a 'forum' ala internet. Written words and statements tend not to fade.

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