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#21327 - 06/02/06 03:29 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: D75]
Dillbag Offline
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Sure, there are things that could infect you in some water supplies. What are the odds? If natural water were really dangerous, we wouldn't be here. You dog or cat drinks out of any puddle.



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LOL. Then how come there a billion people in China and 800 million in India?

Some countries may not have good water quality near population centers, but away from civilization, the sun still shines and soil still filters.




This is true... however people who have grown up and spent the majority of their lives in these regions develop a resistance to the bacteria (as do most animals) and thus aren't as affected as say... the gringo from NYC that takes a trip down to Cancun and drinks the water rather than sticking to a fine cerveza!

And with an estimated 2.3 billion cases of water-borne illness, 12 million deaths per year according to the World Health Organization... so I'm kinda thinking that there might be a lot more people in China/India/Africa if the water was clean and free of contamination...


Also it's really not recommended to drink from running "clean" water as the running water churns up the sediments containing bacteria etc.

So while you may enjoy that "clean" fresh unfiltered taste from a Mountain stream.... I'll stick with filtered Mt. stream water and maybe an unfilter beer later...
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#21328 - 06/02/06 03:30 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: crackers]
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Check out wikipedia dysentery. It happens around population centers.

In adults, dysentery caused by bacteria usually subsides spontaneously.

I assume that the OP is thinking about healthy adults, not young children and elderly. Also in a remote location, i.e. somewhere where locating water is necessary, and a filtration system needs to be small.

IE Back country!!! Where water is pure and moving. Not in delta regions, along slow moving rivers, towns and cities in LDCs.


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#21329 - 06/02/06 03:59 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: D75]
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normal flora
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#21330 - 06/02/06 04:05 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: talus]
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normal flora won't do you much good in the face of Giardia............

or numerous parasitic, water-borne infections common in under-developed countries.

A filtration step to remove large particulates, followed by use of the Steripen, would seem to me to be a reasonably effective treatment, on the effectiveness vs. hassle scale
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#21331 - 06/02/06 04:09 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: irisharehere]
talus Offline
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yes

but each person's normal flora is different depending on their enviroment
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#21332 - 06/02/06 04:22 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: D75]
Chas Offline
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Does D75 actually ever get out?

Until recently you could get away with this advise but Gardia (an ameobic source) affects many water supplies in most parts of the US, be it close to civilization or as far as you think you can get. Try it, you'll love it. Myself, have had it once and I'll pass (got it when I was on a light and fast one day ascent when I found out the normal descent was damaged by rockfall and the alternate descent added 20+ miles to it so I ended up drinking out of various water sources in the Sierra backcountry)

In other countries, your body doesn't adjust totally. Often,they are just so used to it that they assume its a natural part of life. In Peru my partner assumed he was immune to it since he had been in country for many months (since he often lives there) but after drinking out of a stream where cows were defecating nearby I ended up carrying his backpack off the mountain since he was doubled over an literally spraying every couple of minutes.

When I was in Nepal only a few of us who were pretty anal about our water (myself, kurt, colby and a couple of guys from Romania) avoided some sort of stomach or digestive ailments.

In areas like Peru or Nepal, there really is no civilization or wilderness, cows and people are everywhere and most of their fecal matter is contaminated. (In Nepal, the vast majority of children both in the city and in the rural surroundings have Hep A due to contamination, as do they have tapeworms and ......)

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#21333 - 06/02/06 04:22 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: D75]
mworking Offline
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In adults, dysentery caused by bacteria usually subsides spontaneously.




Perhaps it would be appropriate to add "after weeks or months and misery and illness.

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#21334 - 06/02/06 04:47 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: talus]
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but each person's normal flora is different depending on their enviroment

True, but for most of us living in the developed world, drinking water and eating foods that are by and large free from significant amounts of potentially pathogenic microbes, "just drink the water" is a somewhat rash stance.

YVMV, but I'll take reasonable precautions to avoid a case of two-bucket syndrome
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#21335 - 06/02/06 04:47 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: Chas]
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From, say, trieste to, um, ulan-bataar, I'd say there is little to no 'wilderness' as americans know it. just speaking from a little personal experience...

Chas is absolutely right. People, cows, sheep, horses, and everything else is coming and going and everywhere.

As for 'local adjustment', yeah right. The locals that can afford it all buy bottled water, the others get nasty disease and stink up the bathrooms.

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#21336 - 06/02/06 05:47 PM Re: Just drink it [Re: crackers]
GOclimb Offline
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My dad got giardia once. No thanks. Didn't kill him, but made him wish it had! Foulness in the extreme.

I use iodine in the backcountry, but I hate how long I have to wait. May look into one of these more modern solutions.

GO

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