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#22590 - 07/31/06 08:14 PM Are you for sale?
RangerRob Offline
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So it isn't enough that Super Stop and Shop has built yet another chain store monstrosity in New Paltz. Now they have the audacity to actually hire one of those mobile billboards every weekend and drive all over the area just to let the community and weekenders know they are there. Twice now I have this converted box truck with a billboard on it sitting at the entrance to Minnewaska on a weekend. Chasing CU Market out of the Ames Plaza wasn't bad enough. Now they have to assault our senses with this useless barrage of advertisement. How could some idiot head manager decide that wasting gas on this endeavor is a good idea. I urge everyone...locals and visitors alike, to steer clear of this abomination in New Paltz. We had a perfectly lovely market in that plaza, but it could never compete with 2 huge chain food marts. The box store conversion of America is affecting New Paltz too. But you can do the right thing and not frequent that store. Let them know that their advertising on the ridge is totally unacceptable.

RR

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#22591 - 07/31/06 08:55 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: RangerRob]
Dillbag Offline
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Registered: 05/02/06
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I agree! And I already don't like StopnShop...

Buy at the local farmers markets... they don't ship fruit in from all around the globe! Buying locally is actually better for the environment than buying organic! After all of the fuel used to ship the product all over the globe... And supporting the local enonomy is great on many levels!

So if you can afford the extra ten or twenty cents per pound on produce, hit up your farmers market for fresher and GREENER goods!
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#22592 - 07/31/06 09:12 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: RangerRob]
strat Offline
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I can't decide what to laugh at or feel sad about here.

Rob- Where was your outrage in the 70's, 80's, and 90's when the former big-box-department stores of Bradless, Barkers, and Ames occupied that space? Were they stifling the local economy as well?

Where is your outrage at the assault on your senses of the useless barrage of advertising that occurs every time one of your neighbors rents one of the trucks from home depot and drives past your house to deliver the materials to his/her house? Or when a building supply company sends their own truck to make a delivery with their name and logo written all over it. Or how about those contractors who have their company names painted all over their cars/trucks? Or when the Mohonk Preserve Truck goes down into New Paltz for supplies -advertising it all over? Do you get angry with that useless barrage of advertising?

I'm surprised they haven't gotten a set of a skylights to park out in front of the store at night to announce their grand opening yet, like has been the rage for several years.

Dillbag- I love to buy my apples at the Palladino farm in Milton, fresh apricots in Port Ewen, Pears in Modena, Strawberries at the Rivermeade Farm in Keene Valley. But, you know what, I'm shit out of luck going to my local farm markets when it's time to buy some chicken breast, a few cans of tuna, a jar of mayonaise, a container of dill weed, or a bag of dill flavored potato chips. I like to eat oranges, squeeze lime into my gin and tonic, and on occasion, I like shredded coconut in my magic square bars and I just don't see many of them growing in the Hudson Valley.

I suppose the answer is that we would feel better about ourselves if a little guy opened up a specialty shop in downtown New Paltz who specialized in canned meat products and then we could go next door and buy some herbs (pronounce the h) out of a store owned by a little guy who specializes in herbs and spices. We might even like him because he's all earthy and cool and burns inscents? insence? incense? in his store.

I think the right way for us to live is to cast away our technology based lives, become subsistence farmers, and base our economy on bartering our produce for services.

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#22593 - 07/31/06 10:32 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: RangerRob]
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I'm for sale, and I'm pretty darn cheap too!
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#22594 - 08/01/06 04:18 AM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: irisharehere]
GymClimbingPoser Offline
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Yea, WTF? If New Paltz's strip of stupid hippie shops wasn't enough, there's never a decent supermarket. The old one sucked, the new one sucks. The clone of the new one probably sucks too - I'll post my opinion in some months when I visit my parents for Xmas.
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#22595 - 08/01/06 12:40 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: GymClimbingPoser]
Smike Offline
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I'm for sale, and I'm pretty darn cheap too!

For you it was a condo in Hawaii, how cheap is that?

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#22596 - 08/01/06 02:30 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: Smike]
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I'm for sale, and I'm pretty darn cheap too!

For you it was a condo in Hawaii, how cheap is that?




Ah, but I'm worth every cent........so she says
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#22597 - 08/01/06 05:02 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: RangerRob]
Julie Offline
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Rob, I have to disagree with you at least in part here. Now, I'm not a fulltime resident, but I've spent weeks and months at a time there - and I just loathed the grocery options.

Yes, I support a local market, and they do have their place in an economy. But they can't - and shouldn't! - offer the breadth of options for a lot of basic cooking staples that I need. Big boxes are death, yes, but big grocery is quite different.

I don't mind picking up locally farmed stuff at local marts - I like doing that! - but I do mind having no choice but to buy macrobiotic, certified organic flour at $9 a pound, or fancy imported gourmet olive oil for $10 because there is no other selection or competition available. I've resented every cent I spent at Shop Rite, that place is the pits. New Paltz needs and deserves the competition between major grocers.

I completely agree with you about the advertising, though.

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#22598 - 08/01/06 08:24 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: strat]
RangerRob Offline
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Strat....all those other advertising gimicks you mentioned are incidental to an actual purpose. Delivering a product,contractor driving to and from jobsite. Mobile billboards serve no purpose other than to drive around so you can see them....not to deliver anything or transport workers, etc. I'm sure you can see the difference. The fact is that there was a perfectly good supermarket in that shopping center that was locally owned. They did not carry JUST macrobiotic organic 9 dollar a pound stuff. They had some of it, but they also had normal things, a great produce market that was better than most big chain produce sections, and a wonderful assortment of Asian food items. The simple fact that it was locally owned and it was GOOD is what I am pissed about. But they didn't stand a chance against corporations who can afford to grease the wheels of zoning and environmental controls with their big pockets. It's a sad day when when good stores get wiped out in the Tsunami of American homogeny. It's happening right here.....right under your freakin noses, and people just say....well they are cheaper, so I buy from them. Of course they are cheaper, they have the buying power to control the market, buying in bulk to supply all their stores and leaving the Mom and Pop stores gasping for air when they want to order a couple of cases of soda or whatever. It's within everyones power to make a difference.
By the way...you are not out of luck when you want to buy some chicken breast, or a jar of mayonnaise. Jacks Deli in New Paltz and My Market (I think that's the name of it) both carry a decent variety of meat, both organic and mass produced.
I'm not saying I am the perfect consumer, but I try to be when I can. I try to buy from local stores when possible. Sometimes it isn't and you have no choice, but it's your day to day actions that make a difference.

RR

P.S. I wasn't living here in the 70's, 80's and 90's. I was too busy playing with GI Joe figures in the 70's...too busy banging my head and getting stoned in the 80's and too busy trying ot figure out what to do with my life in the 90's. Now I am a bit wiser.


Edited by RangerRob (08/01/06 08:26 PM)

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#22599 - 08/01/06 09:01 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: RangerRob]
Mike Rawdon Offline

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Well today there is a large panel truck in the NP area with an 8x14 ft ad on each side for Clif bars. It was parked in the 30 min scenic overlook in the AM, and then in the Trapps lot after lunch. It touts the "Natural Energy Tour" or something like that, but is the gaudiest marketing vehicle I've seen this side of the Las Vegas strrip.

If they'd had given me a couple free bars then I might not find it so objectionable, but I got nada. ;-)

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#22600 - 08/01/06 10:05 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: RangerRob]
MarcC Offline
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Delivering a product,contractor driving to and from jobsite. Mobile billboards serve no purpose other than to drive around so you can see them....not to deliver anything or transport workers, etc.



I'm sure someone with a marketing background would say they do serve a purpose and are in fact delivering something....a message, or, in the case of Cliff Bars, a brand image. Obviously, despite current fuel prices, the stores and companies find such methods cost effective.
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#22601 - 08/02/06 02:51 AM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: MarcC]
RangerRob Offline
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They may find it cost effective. I as a consumer and a occupier of planet Earth find it completely reprehensible and without any good judgement. Yeah I saw the Cliff Bar van at Coxing this evening. I tried my damndest to run it off the road, but my girlfriends little subaru was no match. Cliff bars suck anyway.

RR

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#22602 - 08/02/06 06:33 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: Mike Rawdon]
Timbo Offline
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It touts the "Natural Energy Tour" or something like that, but is the gaudiest marketing vehicle I've seen this side of the Las Vegas strrip.




I take it you have never seen the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile ?

http://www.kraftfoods.com/om/Wienermobile_main.htm

TS
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#22603 - 08/03/06 07:42 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: Timbo]
talus Offline
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for crisp sakes are all the posts on gunks.com nothing but people bitching? a super market is marketing with a van waaa. it's hot waaa. buy local eat pesticedes not organic waaa. mel gibson is a anti simi waaa. i can't get laid in a carpet store waaa. my pee pee hurts waaa. skytop waa waa. i took a dump in the woods, slipped and fell in my poo waa. bugs waa. gas prices waaa, the war waaa. G W bush waaaa 70's bush waaa. my ankle hurts waa you wimp. your dog is annoying waa. uberfall is a long hike waaa. i need a fresh bowl pack waaa.
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#22604 - 08/03/06 07:46 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: talus]
MarcC Offline
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waaaaa....all the posts here are nothing but people bitching..waaaa.
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#22605 - 08/08/06 02:12 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: MarcC]
Smike Offline
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Rob,
Did you bribe the mayor of NP?

http://publicbroadcasting.net/wamc/news....amp;sectionID=1


New Paltz mayor wants to ban chains
Julia Taylor



KINGSTON, NY (2006-08-07) Opposition has surfaced in some parts of the Northeast region to retail sprawl, especially big-box chain stores. Now, the mayor of New Paltz, New York, has proposed blocking ANY new franchise or chain store from coming into the village. But not everyone supports the idea. WAMC's Hudson Valley Bureau Chief Julia Taylor reports.


© Copyright 2006, WAMC


Edited by Smike (08/08/06 04:21 PM)

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#22606 - 08/08/06 03:48 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: Smike]
Dillbag Offline
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Registered: 05/02/06
Posts: 1130
Loc: "The Town"
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Rob,
Did you bride the mayor of NP?




hehehe... either Smike knows something the rest of us don't or that's a bit of a typo...
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#22607 - 08/08/06 04:20 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: Dillbag]
Smike Offline
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Hey...same excuse that I used on Sunday.

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#22608 - 08/09/06 11:53 AM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: Smike]
RangerRob Offline
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Nah I didn't bribe him. He has a brainof his own. Besides, there isn;t much space left in the village anyway. Stop and Shop is not withinthe the village. Neither is Burger King, McDonalds, or Shoprite. I think Wendy's may have been. Now Starbucks, that disgusting smell of charred moldy earth, sits right smack dab in the middle of the village. Ever see the wannabe homeless kids who pretend to be without means and beg on the streets with a cup of Starbucks in their hand? I think it is the funniest/saddest thing I have ever seen.

RR

P.S. One of them asked me for change while talking on her cell phone....LOL

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#22609 - 08/15/06 05:12 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: RangerRob]
empicard Offline
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how much gas do you use driving to all these different markets?

dill-wasnt it a big super market on 209 (shoprite, maybe) that you left a big sack of groceries at?
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#22610 - 08/22/06 02:14 AM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: talus]
Eddie Offline
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Registered: 12/23/99
Posts: 1446
Loc: NP. NY
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for crisp sakes are all the posts on gunks.com nothing but people bitching? a super market is marketing with a van waaa. it's hot waaa. buy local eat pesticedes not organic waaa. mel gibson is a anti simi waaa. i can't get laid in a carpet store waaa. my pee pee hurts waaa. skytop waa waa. i took a dump in the woods, slipped and fell in my poo waa. bugs waa. gas prices waaa, the war waaa. G W bush waaaa 70's bush waaa. my ankle hurts waa you wimp. your dog is annoying waa. uberfall is a long hike waaa. i need a fresh bowl pack waaa.




har har har! talus you are funny!
for the rest of you bitchers. SHUT UP!!
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#22611 - 08/30/06 06:54 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: RangerRob]
Pamela Offline
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Registered: 03/05/06
Posts: 17
Loc: Gardiner NY
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So it isn't enough that Super Stop and Shop has built yet another chain store monstrosity in New Paltz. Now they have the audacity to actually hire one of those mobile billboards every weekend and drive all over the area just to let the community and weekenders know they are there. Twice now I have this converted box truck with a billboard on it sitting at the entrance to Minnewaska on a weekend. Chasing CU Market out of the Ames Plaza wasn't bad enough. Now they have to assault our senses with this useless barrage of advertisement. How could some idiot head manager decide that wasting gas on this endeavor is a good idea. I urge everyone...locals and visitors alike, to steer clear of this abomination in New Paltz. We had a perfectly lovely market in that plaza, but it could never compete with 2 huge chain food marts. The box store conversion of America is affecting New Paltz too. But you can do the right thing and not frequent that store. Let them know that their advertising on the ridge is totally unacceptable.

RR




Really, you've seen this? I haven't seen it yet. I guess I don't hang out at the entrance to Minnewaska enough. Personally, I've only been there (Stop and Shop) a few times, but don't like it because their prices seem high, and I don't like their produce section. Robins is much, much better. However, when you live in Gardiner, there are few places to shop without having to drive 20+ miles. Choices are Hannaford in Pine Bush, Thruway in Walden (one of my favorites) or north to Kingston.

The mobile advertising is a smart move on their part. My husband used to work in the sign business, and many towns would enact zoning laws to restrict the size and type of signs that businesses could put up. The "mobile" ad was a way around the zoning and allowed the business to preserve their right to advertise and keep their right to freedom of speech.

If you don't like the Stop N Shop so much, or any of the other chain stores, you can just do what I do....don't go there any more.

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#22612 - 08/30/06 08:17 PM Re: Are you for sale? [Re: Pamela]
RangerRob Offline
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Very true, I will continue not going there, not that I ever started. That's the great thing about this country. I have every right to voice my opinion about the store, their advertising policies, and the direct consequences of them operating here. Yay for freedom of speech, boo to Stop and Shop.

RR

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