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#23370 - 08/24/06 04:23 PM A Reasonable Proposal?
pda Offline
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Gardiner strives to protect open space

GARDINER - After more than a year of work, the Gardiner Open Space Committee will present the final draft of its plan to the Town Board at 7 p.m. Tuesday.

About 4,800 acres, or 17 percent of Gardiner's total land area, is protected. The proposed open space plan designates eight landscape conservation "hubs" and six conservation "corridors" - totaling about 45 percent of Gardiner's total land area - as key natural resources.

Eighty percent of the town's land is in private ownership, but the plan's intent is not to require landowners to conserve their lands. Rather, it calls for providing options and finances for every landowner that chooses protection, according to the committee's co-chairman, Lewis Eisenberg.

"We're not really telling anyone what to do. The main thing we are trying to do is make people aware of what resources are," Eisenberg said.

The conservation hubs would be the Shawangunk Ridge, the Shawangunk Kill South, the Shawangunk Kill/Wallkill River confluence, the Galeville Grasslands, the Wallkill River North, the Route 208 north farmlands, the Plattekill Gorge and the Route 208 south Farmlands.

The conservation corridors would be the River to Ridge corridor, the Palmaghatt Kill corridor, the Mara Kill corridor, the Wallkill River corridor, the Shawangunk Kill corridor and the Route 208 wetland corridor

The plan details a resource and inventory analysis of Gardiner's natural systems, a map of conservation planning areas, a priority conservation network map and a strategic plan of action and tools to help achieve the conservation goals of the community.

Eisenberg, a Gardiner resident for seven years, said the plan not only responds to the need to protect Gardiner from burgeoning development that could threaten its water resources, wildlife habitats, farmlands, rural roads and the Shawangunk Ridge, but looks after Gardiner's fiscal health.

Though it may seem counterintuitive, protecting a region from overdevelopment actually protects the local economy, he said.

Nationwide, Eisenberg said, for every dollar that is received, farmland requires between 36 and 70 cents in services (such as schools, roads, water, sewer, police and fire), while residential development requires $1.16 in services.

"If you pave paradise and put up a parking lot, then you have killed the thing people love about Gardiner," Eisenberg said.

The Open Space Committee's plan will be subject to a public hearing before it can become part of the town's master plan.

Freeman 8/6/06

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#23371 - 08/24/06 04:27 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: pda]
pda Offline
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What's not to like?

- the plan's intent is not to require landowners to conserve their lands

- providing options and finances for every landowner

- protecting a region from overdevelopment actually protects the local economy

- "If you pave paradise and put up a parking lot, then you have killed the thing people love about Gardiner,"

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#23372 - 08/25/06 06:33 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: pda]
RangerRob Offline
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According to those numbers the Town of Gardiner is only 28,235 acres?? I'm going ot have to check that statistic...seems not right

RR

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#23373 - 08/25/06 06:52 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: RangerRob]
pda Offline
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Yes - I believe that just over 28,000 acres is just about right.

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#23374 - 08/30/06 05:47 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: pda]
Pamela Offline
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Registered: 03/05/06
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Loc: Gardiner NY
"If you pave paradise and put up a parking lot, then you have killed the thing people love about Gardiner," -Lew Eisenberg speaking about the Open Space Plan recently in the Kingston Freeman. Unfortunately, that’s just what’s in store for the Aumick Road entrance to the Awosting Preserve lands recently purchased by New York State as part of the Minnewaska State Park.

- the plan's intent is not to require landowners to conserve their lands

No, they'll force conservation through restrictive zoning, so that the landowner has little viable option to use their land. Then they'll force taxpayer to foot the bill, which we are already doing.

- providing options and finances for every landowner


Yes, but the options aren't so good. No matter what, they are taking away ownership of the land by restricting it's use. Finances? Sure, the town will borrow money, make the taxpayers foot the bill, and buy off the rights cheaply from the landowner. It's a form of communism thinly disguised as "conservation".

- protecting a region from overdevelopment actually protects the local economy

I happen to think that by giving the landowners real options to do what they think is best for their land, by keeping taxes down, by keeping the government out of private property owners business, are all in the best interest of the region. Keep zoning out of my town, and I might actually be able to run a business and live in the same place!

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#23375 - 08/30/06 08:23 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: Pamela]
RangerRob Offline
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Pamela, please cite your source for the parks development of the Aumick Road Entrance to Awosting Reserve. I wasn't aware of any change in the Park Master Plan that would allow for that.

RR

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#23376 - 08/30/06 08:34 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: pda]
Kent Offline
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Open space is a great thing to protect, but again, the distribution of the costs of doing so is the issue.

Supporters of the Open Space Plan are emphasizing how landowners won't be forced to participate. This is deceptive in that it omits the fact that zoning laws have effectively confiscated conservation easements from landowners. On the eastern flank of the ridge, I estimate that land has been devalued by approximately 50%.

The Open Space Plan is interesting in that it prioritizes land to be potentially acquired by the town for conservation, based on input from the same clamoring crowd that brought us the zoning law. The highest priority is 1 and the lowest 5. During the comprehensive planning and zoning processes leading up to the adoption of the ridge zoning law, buildable land on the slopes below the ridge was characterized as the area of highest priority. Curiously, in the Open Space Plan, now that the ridge zoning law is in place, buildable land along the ridge is only rated a 3. It is now of mid-range priority. Based on the acreage (4,895) involved in higher priority areas 1 and 2, and the amount of money for conservation the town might raise, landowners along the ridge will never be offered any conservation money by the town for their land.

If the town really wants to make the open space preservation process an amicable one, then it would do well to make it voluntary on both sides of the equation. Voluntary contributions from residents and non-residents alike to an open space fund that will be used to buy land or conservation easements from willing landowners who are free of the coercion of confiscatory zoning. That would be fair.

Fairness is all landowners really want.. No more and no less.


Edited by Kent (08/31/06 05:50 PM)

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#23377 - 08/31/06 03:58 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: Kent]
alicex4 Offline
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John Adams warned, "The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. Property must be sacred or liberty cannot exist."

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#23378 - 08/31/06 04:28 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: alicex4]
Pamela Offline
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Registered: 03/05/06
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Loc: Gardiner NY
I like that.
How about these?
Quote:

?"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life; second, to liberty, third, to property, together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of... the duty of self preservation, commonly called the first law of nature. All men have a right to remain in a state of nature as long as they please; and in case of intolerable oppression, civil or religious, to leave the society they belong to, and enter into another... Now what liberty can there be where property is taken away without consent?"

Samuel Adams (November 20,1772)

It is too bad that the overall value to human beings of their basic right to private property is so widely and prestigiously denied. It is one of the most beneficent institutions and certainly the bulwark against any kind of tyranny, be it that of a ruling party, a dictatorship, or even of a democratic majority.


Tibor Machan




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#23379 - 08/31/06 05:41 PM Re: A Reasonable Proposal? [Re: Pamela]
learningtolead Offline
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The Founders quite intentionally changed Locke's "Life, Liberty and Property" to life, liberty, and the oh so difficult to pin down "pursuit of happiness."

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