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#25325 - 03/12/07 04:24 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: GOclimb]
rg@ofmc Pooh-Bah Registered: 12/25/99 Posts: 2412 Loc: Poughkeepsie, NY	Quote: I was a voice in the wilderness supporting the earlier small notes on belay stations. But this latest thing is beyond the pail. I'd gladly be the first to cut the banner down and throw it in the trash; it has no place on the cliffs. Not all slippery slope arguments are fallacious. The Preserve disapproved of the tags but chose to make no public statement about them. I thought (and still think) that this was a mistake, one that they will be paying for, I suspect, over and over again. I posted one of my overheated rants, familiar to those on this site, in the comments section of the Step It Up site. My post contains a typo (quartze) which opens the door to ridicule of my geological knowledge. Fire away...
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#25326 - 03/12/07 05:02 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: rg@ofmc]
alicex4 Carpal Tunnel Registered: 07/05/00 Posts: 3400	Spoke with the communications person at Mohonk, Debbie Clifford. The preserve does not sanction this. There is no "discussion" because the preserve said no to the cliff banner. They are allowing a banner in the visitor's center. FYI
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#25327 - 03/12/07 05:08 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: alicex4]
Smike Carpal Tunnel Registered: 05/01/01 Posts: 3143 Loc: in your backyard	Operation counter insurgency it shall be then
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#25328 - 03/12/07 05:36 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: Smike]
Terrie enthusiast Registered: 06/14/04 Posts: 247	Well....they ARE getting PR, at any rate. Now, they can get more PR by admitting that announcing the intent was premature, and they should have waited till the request by the preserve was achknowledged.... Gotta spin it to win it, doncha know..... _________________________ Links to my blog, and online t-shirt shop
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#25329 - 03/12/07 06:03 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: Smike]
Kent old hand Registered: 01/21/00 Posts: 1004 Loc: The Bayards	Quote: Operation counter insurgency it shall be then Game on.
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#27588 - 03/12/07 08:54 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: rg@ofmc]
GOclimb Pooh-Bah Registered: 03/26/01 Posts: 2345 Loc: Boston	Originally Posted By: rg@ofmc Quote: I was a voice in the wilderness supporting the earlier small notes on belay stations. But this latest thing is beyond the pail. I'd gladly be the first to cut the banner down and throw it in the trash; it has no place on the cliffs. Not all slippery slope arguments are fallacious. The Preserve disapproved of the tags but chose to make no public statement about them. I thought (and still think) that this was a mistake, one that they will be paying for, I suspect, over and over again. Maybe. But it sure isn't sounding like it. Time will tell. Quote: I posted one of my overheated rants, familiar to those on this site, in the comments section of the Step It Up site. Kudos to you for doing so. Thanks. GO
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#27590 - 03/12/07 09:08 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: GOclimb]
Mim old hand Registered: 01/27/00 Posts: 988 Loc: Gunks	I heard about this last fall and emailed them immediately, with the request that they first contact the Preserve for permission, as this was private land. I am glad they did. _________________________ Mim
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#27591 - 03/12/07 09:26 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: Mim]
talus veteran Registered: 08/23/04 Posts: 1249	Step It Up certainly does a horrible job on educating you on what their cause is for and how to go about their cause. imo a tshirt on the person climbing is most likly better suited than a banner. _________________________ John Okner Photography
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#27592 - 03/12/07 09:38 PM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: Mim]
Kent old hand Registered: 01/21/00 Posts: 1004 Loc: The Bayards	Just today they pulled all specific info about the "New Paltz" event from the website. As well, they pulled all comments made about every event nationwide, including those made by Mim, RG, GO, and Alice. Coincidence? They have a similar banner on the cliff event still planned at Seneca and have suggested a banner on the Grand Teton even Organizers' Frequently Asked Questions How big should my rally be? The short answer is, as big as possible. Numbers count--a thousand is better than a hundred is better than a dozen in terms of sheer impact. But there are exceptions--maybe you're hoisting your banner in a hard-to-get-to place: on top of the Grand Teton , say. In that case, a few is as good as a throng.
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#27596 - 03/13/07 01:16 AM Re: Quotes attached to belay chains? [Re: Kent]
MarcC Carpal Tunnel Registered: 07/10/00 Posts: 3532	Originally Posted By: Kent ...and have suggested a banner on the Grand Teton even... Yeah, that will certainly be noticed for miles around. Obviously they have a bit to learn about PR and visibility. Sure, put a banner up on High-E, waaaay down the carriage road. If they were serious about being seen, Shockley's, above the hairpin, or the middle of the Nears (visible from the 299-44/55 intersection) would have been much better choices. _________________________ - Marc
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