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#26417 - 01/01/07 01:42 PM A rant
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I’d might as well begin 2007’s threads with a gripe and be a pain in the ass to our esteemed Webmaster. It’s one of lost patience
Things haven’t been the same since the July disaster and insufficient repair has been done. Are the pre-July pictures lost forever? Will the ability to search text strings and chronology be forever absent from Gunks.com? It’s been that way too %)*&^$&^$* long!
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#26418 - 01/02/07 02:49 PM Re: A rant [Re: oenophore]
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Still have the old pictures. The forums will be searchable with the installation of the new forum software. My programmer, Justin, has gotten entangled with another project, and it unable to complete the installation of said software. I'm currently seeking a new PHP programmer to carry on.
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#26419 - 01/03/07 01:05 AM Re: A rant [Re: webmaster]
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Sigh. It makes me wish I had some PHP experience; my application development work has been with prior generation stuff. Thanks for answering anyway.
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#26420 - 01/04/07 04:42 PM Re: A rant [Re: oenophore]
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why is this the first mention of needing a new PHP programmer?
you'll never find anyone without a little advertising!
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#26421 - 01/08/07 04:35 PM Re: A rant [Re: empicard]
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Just found out I needed one during New Year's week. Not the headhunting season.

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#26422 - 03/11/07 03:25 PM Re: A rant [Re: webmaster]
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This is strange. It seems as there are two different versions of Gunks.com discussion. There is the "legacy" ubbthreads, upon which I write this post, and ubbthreads7, which has the new color and features. The only thing I'd like to keep from the old one is the IP address disclosure and the color scheme.
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#26423 - 03/11/07 04:22 PM Re: A rant [Re: oenophore]
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Pretty much looks like anything posted to this site over the last 5 days is now gone...including PM's (This is when the new site came up when you clicked on threads)

You might need a Php programmer, but what appears to be a far more evident issue at hand is you need a Q/A staging platform to play with all this stuff before you toss code out on your public (Hopefully revenue making) site. Sponsors (or clients in my case) don't take kindly to bad code in production environments.

If you need any resources let me know, I have 5 programmers on staff, might be able to convince one to do some side work.


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#26424 - 03/11/07 04:41 PM Re: A rant [Re: Smike]
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pubic site?
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#26425 - 03/12/07 02:03 AM Re: A rant [Re: empicard]
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there mo better?

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#26426 - 03/12/07 02:56 AM Re: A rant [Re: Smike]
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Where is the new board? I saw it late last night (actually it was really, really early this morning). Was it just a test? I haven't logged in for a few days so maybe it was around for a bit.

Colors were different, there were some navigational aids that showed the directory tree of the forum you were posting in... that's about all I remember.
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#26427 - 03/12/07 04:25 PM Re: A rant [Re: quanto_the_mad]
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I just spoke with Evan about it...apparently he can't even log in right now!

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#27589 - 03/12/07 09:05 PM Re: A rant [Re: crackers]
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New site looks really really nice! Lot of cool new features. The "unread posts" flag doesn't seem to be working for me at the minute. Aside from that, it seems okay. Even an old link is bringing me to the new site.

When do photos come back? Can't even see where they'd be if they were here...

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#27593 - 03/12/07 10:12 PM Re: A rant [Re: GOclimb]
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Looking forward to the unread flag returning. Otherwise looks good.

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#27597 - 03/13/07 01:21 AM Re: A rant [Re: Smike]
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 Originally Posted By: Smike
You might need a Php programmer, but what appears to be a far more evident issue at hand is you need a Q/A staging platform to play with all this stuff before you toss code out on your public (Hopefully revenue making) site. Sponsors (or clients in my case) don't take kindly to bad code in production environments.


Yeah. What he said. Once again, like the last ill-fated update, a release with inadequate testing followed by apologies:
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Sorry for the confusion over the last couple of days here. We had intended to install this new forum software this past w/e, but little did we know that the install scripts not only copied all the old files, but also changed all the links in the old forum to the new one!

Highly professional. BTW, a really solid development process wouldn't even need a "Bugs" forum.
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#27603 - 03/13/07 10:34 AM Re: A rant [Re: MarcC]
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a really solid development process wouldn't even need a "Bugs" forum.

If Microsoft can't do bug-free software, what do you expect here?

Observations about the "new look"

IP addresses and star ratings no longer appear.
Threads started on Ubbthreads after the "release" of Ubbthreads7 are gone (Daylight Saving Time on Almost Anything Goes, for instance.)
And yes, the pictures.
I like some of the new features, but the FAQ page doesn't tell us how to use them.
The My Profile page changed, but the user-entered fields from the old page are still there, so the answers to the questions about one's climbing are concatenated without a title (check your My Profile page.)
As I pointed out in the shoutbox, the latter is a space that invites maledictions of all sorts. Dalguard's observation is apropos too; we'd rather see nice ads than flames.

Don't take the above too gravely; I appreciate the time and effort expended for this change.

PS: After I posted this, IP addresses were restored.


Edited by oenophore (03/13/07 04:06 PM)
Edit Reason: restoration
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#27617 - 03/13/07 04:01 PM Re: A rant [Re: oenophore]
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Looks like the unread flag is kind of coming back. I'm hoping once I'm using the same forum every day that it's going to work. I really only need two things out of a forum: the ability to turn off signatures and avatars (check) and a way to jump to the first unread post (maybe check).

It's weird that all the PMs I ever sent have reappeared though.

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#27618 - 03/13/07 04:39 PM Re: A rant [Re: oenophore]
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 Originally Posted By: oenophore
a really solid development process wouldn't even need a "Bugs" forum.

If Microsoft can't do bug-free software, what do you expect here?

You're right of course (but it's arguable that MS actually has a solid development process. In an ideal world, the dev process would be such that all bugs were caught during QC/QA.) The issue here is really one of poor implementation. A lot of the things people squawked about could have been caught by process alone and aren't really bugs as such.
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#27785 - 03/22/07 08:32 PM Re: A rant [Re: dalguard]
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I just had the unread flag issue, a few threads claimed to have unread messages {red in parens} but when I opened those threads there wasn't anything I hadn't already red.
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#35839 - 03/06/08 12:22 AM Re: A rant [Re: quanto_the_mad]
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This is another thread in need of a decent burial.
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#35854 - 03/06/08 08:42 PM Re: A rant [Re: oenophore]
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 Originally Posted By: oenophore
This is another thread in need of a decent burial.

Then why did you just resurrect it after a year of slumber?
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#35868 - 03/07/08 04:35 PM Re: A rant [Re: MarcC]
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16616951

I think this was already posted – perhaps by me, Mark Shapiro argues well that the EUs more stringent consumer and ecological controls are related to their governments participation in their health care system, and that industry rules here despite the damage it causes ecologically and health-wise. One example was the types of plastic that the EU has banned but we allow.

Please correct me if I am wrong:
Most “older” doctors worked under fee for service and resent the fact that insurance companies and/or government squeeze them minimal fees. Often they correctly feel that lower fees correlate with lower quality healthcare. Doctors under fee for service are learning how to compensate for lower fess by limiting visit times and requiring more visits to receive a “full” treatment.

At the same time many more doctors are employed by hospitals these days and those doctors work for salaries that after being corrected for inflation are in general smaller than what older doctors would have expected to earn.

In short things are changing slowly regardless of what payer system we are under.

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#35878 - 03/08/08 12:08 AM Re: A rant [Re: mworking]
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Uh, didn't you mean to post this over in that thread in AAG that has morphed into a discussion of health care?
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