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#26694 - 01/26/07 10:03 PM Re: At war with Iran? !!! [Re: empicard]
quanto_the_mad Offline
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It's not me, the military just uses a lot of acronyms. Sometimes you forget what the acronyms actually stand for. NORAD... is that NORth American Defense? NOrth american RADar? It's actually North American Aerospace Defense... but I'm not sure which "A" is capitalized.
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#26695 - 01/26/07 11:30 PM Re: At war with Iran? !!! [Re: quanto_the_mad]
Mike Rawdon Offline

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My college hiking buddy went to work for the Navy Dept at ChesDivNavFacEnCom. Pronounced just like it's spelled, best said real fast.

(Chesepeake Division Naval Facilities Engineering Command)

Here in the Hudson Valley, IBM is by far the largest corporate employer. No one, and I mean, no one, does acronyms (typically three letters) like they do. "We'll roll out the GBS to support the TIP once the SMB reviews the BCA and the CCP is on board". And the managers (everyone's a manager at Big Blue, it seems) eat it up. They have to, it's the culture.

/Thread drift.

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#26696 - 01/27/07 02:24 AM Re: At war with Iran? !!! [Re: Mike Rawdon]
empicard Offline
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TPS reports anyone?

they picked NORAD because NAAD would have made too many people giggle.
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#26697 - 01/29/07 02:32 PM Re: At war with Iran? !!! [Re: empicard]
Dillbag Offline
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hehe... NAAD!
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#26698 - 02/12/07 01:27 PM The wheels are in motion... [Re: mworking]
chazman Offline
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Quote:

February 12, 2007
U.S. Says Arms Link Iranians to Iraqi Shiites
By JAMES GLANZ
BAGHDAD, Feb. 11 — After weeks of internal debate, senior United States military officials on Sunday literally put on the table their first public evidence of the contentious assertion that Iran supplies Shiite extremist groups in Iraq with some of the most lethal weapons in the war. They said those weapons had been used to kill more than 170 Americans in the past three years.

Never before displayed in public, the weapons included squat canisters designed to explode and spit out molten balls of copper that cut through armor. The canisters, called explosively formed penetrators or E.F.P.s, are perhaps the most feared weapon faced by American and Iraqi troops here.

In a news briefing held under strict security, the officials spread out on two small tables an E.F.P. and an array of mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades with visible serial numbers that the officials said link the weapons directly to Iranian arms factories. The officials also asserted, without providing direct evidence, that Iranian leaders had authorized smuggling those weapons into Iraq for use against the Americans. The officials said such an assertion was an inference based on general intelligence assessments.

That inference, and the anonymity of the officials who made it, seemed likely to generate skepticism among those suspicious that the Bush administration is trying to find a scapegoat for its problems in Iraq, and perhaps even trying to lay the groundwork for war with Iran.



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#26699 - 02/12/07 02:32 PM Re: The wheels are in motion... [Re: chazman]
felix m Offline
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and from todays NY Times lead story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/12/world/...artner=homepage

interesting that this government source article is coauthored by Michael Gordon, who's fabricated story along with Judith Miller in the Times helped bring us the Iraq War. Yes, Arthur's paper has an agenda, (he too knows his constituancy) & if you see him at the crag politely let him know.

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#26700 - 02/12/07 05:28 PM Re: The wheels are in motion... [Re: felix m]
felix m Offline
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and why would Tehran be supplying roadside bombs to it's adversary, the Suni insurgency? A reasonable question to ask of dear Michael Gordon. (see last post)

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article2261526.ece

I think Arthur's paper should now be described as "All the propaganda thats fit to print"

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#26701 - 02/12/07 07:49 PM Re: The wheels are in motion... [Re: felix m]
mworking Offline
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Heard this on Jene Sheas’ folk show last night. The names, locale and the specific fighting are different, but other than it could have been written today. It is far better in song.

Lyndon Johnson Told the Nation
Words and Music by Tom Paxton
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I got a letter from L. B. J.
It said this is your lucky day.
It's time to put your khaki trousers on.
Though it may seem very queer
We've got no jobs to give you here
So we are sending you to Viet Nam
[Cho:]
Lyndon Johnson told the nation,
"Have no fear of escalation.
I am trying everyone to please.
Though it isn't really war,
We're sending fifty thousand more,
To help save Viet nam from Viet Namese."
I jumped off the old troop ship,
And sank in mud up to my hips.
I cussed until the captain called me down.
Never mind how hard it's raining,
Think of all the ground we're gaining,
Just don't take one step outside of town.
[Cho:]
Every night the local gentry,
Sneak out past the sleeping sentry.
They go to join the old VC.
In their nightly little dramas,
They put on their black pajamas,
And come lobbing mortar shells at me.
[Cho:]
We go round in helicopters,
Like a bunch of big grasshoppers,
Searching for the Viet Cong in vain.
They left a note that they had gone.
They had to get down to Saigon,
Their government positions to maintain.
[Cho:]
Well here I sit in this rice paddy,
Wondering about Big Daddy,
And I know that Lyndon loves me so.
Yet how sadly I remember,
Way back yonder in November,
When he said I'd never have to go.
[Cho:]

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#26702 - 02/12/07 07:52 PM Re: The wheels are in motion... [Re: felix m]
mikeymike Offline
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Registered: 05/30/01
Posts: 54
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and why would Tehran be supplying roadside bombs to it's adversary, the Suni insurgency? A reasonable question to ask of dear Michael Gordon. (see last post)





~ The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

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#26703 - 02/12/07 10:33 PM Re: The wheels are in motion... [Re: felix m]
Daniel Offline
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Registered: 05/23/01
Posts: 1515
why would Tehran be supplying roadside bombs to it's adversary, the Suni insurgency? A reasonable question to ask of dear Michael Gordon.

There's no such assertion in the article. In fact, the article says the claim is that Iran is aiding the Shiites, not the Sunis: "military officials on Sunday literally put on the table their first public evidence of the contentious assertion that Iran supplies Shiite extremist groups in Iraq with some of the most lethal weapons in the war."

There are plenty of Shiites who want the U.S. out, and plenty who would be willing to attack U.S. troops. And there are plenty of Sunis who want the US out too. And there are some on both sides who want the US to stay. That's why the situation is so difficult.

Anyway, even if bombs are coming in from Iran, there's still no direct evidence that the Iranian government is sponsoring the activity. "The officials also asserted, without providing direct evidence, that Iranian leaders had authorized smuggling those weapons into Iraq for use against the Americans. The officials said such an assertion was an inference based on general intelligence assessments....That inference, and the anonymity of the officials who made it, seemed likely to generate skepticism among those suspicious that the Bush administration is trying to find a scapegoat for its problems in Iraq, and perhaps even trying to lay the groundwork for war with Iran."

And even if the Iranian government is involved, what recourse do we have? To those who say we may be planning to invade Iran, I have a two word response: with what?

If Iran's government is getting active in Iraq, it's because they think there's nothing we can really do to them that wouldn't be hugely counterproductive. And they're right. I can't tell whether W's saber-rattling is a ruse to intimidate the Iranians (which won't work) or for domestic consumption to distract Americans from what's going on in Iraq. I have a hard time believing that people in his administration can actually think invading Iran would be a good thing.

But on the other hand, it wouldn't be the first reality-denying debacle they've gotten us into.

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