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#30951 - 07/10/07 04:36 AM Re: A cliff of our own [Re: MarcC]
rg@ofmc Offline
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Registered: 12/25/99
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Loc: Poughkeepsie, NY
 Originally Posted By: dalguard
I don't think DEET helps with chiggers unless you spray it on your underwear in the morning while getting dressed.


As I said, I spray it on my legs up to the underpant line (usually when I get to the base of the first climb of the day). This is when I am wearing shorts, by the way. It works for sure.

The DEET has to go at possible entry points, not on your underwear. (For example, the week before when I forgot to DEETify, I got bites at the back of my knees as well as at the underpant/harness lines.) If you are going to lie down in the grass, you'll need it on your upper body too.

I've been told that Flowers of Sulphur, a sulphur powder obtainable from pharmacies, also repels chiggers. Instead of the chemical DEET smell, your usual cologne will be enhanced with the delicate odor of rotten eggs.

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#30962 - 07/10/07 02:08 PM Re: A cliff of our own [Re: rg@ofmc]
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Registered: 05/14/02
Posts: 2606
Loc: brooklyn
I was using cutter advanced with picaridin. I sprayed my legs but missed the back of one... and got a bite right there. Didn't spray my waist and got a few bites all around. So it seems like it works, maybe next week I'll just spray half my body and see what happens.
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#30966 - 07/10/07 03:23 PM Re: A cliff of our own [Re: quanto_the_mad]
mworking Offline
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Registered: 05/26/04
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I am surprised no-one is concerned with frequent application of Deet on themselves. I remember at least some higher strength formulas instruct you not to do this.

Low strength under 6%
High strength 12% up to app 25%

Just wondering. I realize the alternative of getting bitten isn't pleasant.

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#30969 - 07/10/07 03:48 PM Re: A cliff of our own [Re: mworking]
MarcC Offline
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There are also quite a few products with concentrations of 100%. From the Wikipedia entry for deet:
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Concentrations
DEET is often sold and used in concentrations up to 100%. Consumer Reports found a direct correlation between DEET concentration and hours of protection against insect bites. 100% DEET was found to offer up to 12 hours of protection while several lower concentration DEET formulations (20%-34%) offered 3-6 hours of protection.

Effects on health

DEET is the most common active ingredient in insect repellents. Studies into the health effects of using DEET in the approved way (as a topical application) have not shown any significant harm to human health; exposure to large amounts (by means such as accidental ingestion) has similar effects to comparable exposure to other pesticides.[citation needed] As DEET is a powerful pesticide, however, manufacturers of DEET based products advise they should not be used under clothing, on damaged skin, and that the DEET based preparation be washed off after it is no longer needed or between applications.[1] In rare cases, it may cause skin reactions.[1]

Recent studies by Duke University researchers have found that "laboratory rats treated with an average human dose of DEET (40 mg/kg body weight) performed far worse when challenged with physical tasks requiring muscle control, strength and coordination. These findings are consistent with reported human symptoms following DEET's use by the military in the Persian Gulf War." [2] Duke Pharmacologist Mohamed Abou-Donia, PhD, has said that the results of this study warrant further testing and he has warned the public to use insecticides containing DEET sparingly and infrequently.[2]

Some newer repellents offer alternatives to DEET. Repellents containing picaridin or lemon eucalyptus oil were reported by Consumer Reports to be about as effective as repellents containing DEET,[3] though medical studies have differed on the effectiveness of alternatives. A number of tests have shown DEET to be the most effective and longest-lasting insect repellent available.[4]

The American Academy of Pediatrics found no difference in safety for children, between products containing 10% and 30% DEET, when used as directed, but recommends that DEET not be used on infants less than two months old.

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#30970 - 07/10/07 03:58 PM Re: A cliff of our own [Re: MarcC]
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Loc: brooklyn
Picaridin seems to work really well, although I haven't been out in full blackfly season. It doesn't eat plastic which is the big bonus, I don't mind that it doesn't last as long since I'm not worried about melting things when I reapply it.

I've tried other products, eucalyptus oil made me smell nice but didn't work more than 30 minutes. Other products were near worthless... well at least in the woods, they may work fine sitting on the back porch in the suburbs.
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#30991 - 07/10/07 08:19 PM Re: A cliff of our own [Re: quanto_the_mad]
Coppertone Offline
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Registered: 08/17/00
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Loc: Newtown, CT
 Originally Posted By: quanto_the_mad
Picaridin seems to work really well, although I haven't been out in full blackfly season. It doesn't eat plastic which is the big bonus, I don't mind that it doesn't last as long since I'm not worried about melting things when I reapply it.

I've tried other products, eucalyptus oil made me smell nice but didn't work more than 30 minutes. Other products were near worthless... well at least in the woods, they may work fine sitting on the back porch in the suburbs.


If you have kids be careful with the Picaridin and Eucalyptus oil as both are not supposed to used on children.

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