Yeah, I knew I over generalized on the cragger thing and I figured you would call me out on it. But, you don't have much right to call me out on hipping him to the fact that there is something unique and different that the Adirondacks has to offer (such as noonmark and Avalanche Pass). I made the clear disclaimer about what I was doing and why and I did not criticize the other recommendations, in fact, I recognized how good they were. And you'll note that my reply is consistent with his request for more relaxing days. So, you can go retro-grouch someone else.

So, you can go retro-grouch someone else.

Don't get me wrong, I embrace retrogroucherie with open arms, but I wasn't being grouchy, just incredulous.

Nor was I being retro. I'm saying some of the new bolted routes on Poko look really cool and you're sending a guy who is looking for 5.10 to 5.11 multipitch routes to Noonmark, with what, five 90-foot routes, the hardest a Wiessner 5.8, most much easier, with the primary attraction the fabulous scenic panorama of the high country.

Let he who is without retro-grouchiness cast the first stone.

But you don't have any right, really, to be getting up in a hizzy, calling it incredulity or whatever you want. It's not like I am trying to mislead Socialist1 into going to Noonmark to get an 11 pitch 5.11. I explicitly indicated what it was and why I felt like it is worth considering even though it isn't what he originally asked for. And I guess you missed out where I suggested the routes in Avalanche Pass which fits his description as well.

Big Slide is a better outing, climbing-wise, than Noonmark. Two pitch routes up to 5.9, and less gear to carry.

I've never been to Noonmark. This is partly because my partner on my most recent trip, a woman who follows at best 5.9 and leads about 5.4 when she leads, said "we can go anywhere you want, as long as it's not Noonmark." Apparently it was too boring even for her.

Mike and I had a nice day on Big Slide with another oldtime gunks.com'er Leemouse. There's a TR somewhere.

Big Slide is a nice outing. No doubt about it. Particularly if you want to do two routes, both one long pitch followed by one short pitch and all four pitches being steep slab/low angle face. Nice to do on a clear day and the hike up over the Brothers is classic. But, if varied climbing is your thing- then this isn't the place to go.

Too boring just doesn't jive with Noonmark, sorry toots.

toots?

Hey RG....when the heck did you get all stuck up on the numbers? Also the OP did say and I quote “We are basically looking for routes up to mid 11”. But Ross seems pretty happy to get feedback on all aspects of what’s available in the Adirondacks, which varies dramatically as opposed to the singular nature of the Gunks that seems to beg for some to go on and on digging into the minutia of the same thing page after page in these parts of late.

It's the Dacks! There's rock EVERYWHERE - so just go out and find some and climb it. Easy!

And I've had my fair share of rainy days in the dacks, strat, but I usually spend them fishing - or better yet, being lazy at home. I'll bet my peach cobbler (made with peaches from the tree in the backyard) smells better than your pipe tobacco

Socialist, there's foosball at the brewpub in Lake Placid, and Tip a Canoe in Keene has decent food (better than Baxter, I think), though the portions tend towards the smaller side... They serve beer now, I think, so I asuume it's not BYO anymore.

If it's hot out, go for a dip at Four Corners (just be careful, because although it's a great place, people seem to drown or nearly drown more often than most other places. That said, I've been going there since I was 11 and never had any problems, myself.)

And has anyone stopped by the Cliffhanger since it reopened? I don't eat lunch out much so I haven't gotten around to it.

Moss cliff is outrageously good... and from what you listed in terms of routes you are looking for, I can think of few places that compare (poko?). Anyways, not sure what people are saying re: scary, but most definitely quality.

Routes to check out: Touch of Class 5.9, Hard Times 5.9, Spirit of Adventure 5.11 (the "crux" pitch might not be the crux). Fear of Flying (OW 5.10), Creation of the World (OW+++ Bring two number 5's and everything in between). Falconer is great as well.

There was a tyrolean over the water that broke last year. Not sure if its been replaced. If not, then cross the river upstream from the parking lot (.25 mile?) and head uphill.