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#34102 - 11/01/07 02:44 PM Exit Strategy
d-elvis Offline
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Does Bush have an exit strategy for the White House or will Hillary have to evict him? ;\)
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#34103 - 11/01/07 03:08 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: d-elvis]
MarcC Offline
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No, he has an occupation strategy. Sometime next September or October, there will be another "terrorist" attack on the US or an "Iranian" attack on Israel or something similar (ie: a false flag action, likely orchestrated and implemented by one of Bush's paramilitary organizations like Blackwater). The point is, it will be serious enough to constitute a clear and present danger, thus, to maintain order and security, Bush orders Marshal Law and suspends the elections until the war on terror is won.

I assume you've seen the following list. How many of these has the Bush administration already accomplished?

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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#34104 - 11/01/07 03:41 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: MarcC]
pedestrian Offline
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Hey Marc. What are you doing in Utah?

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#34106 - 11/01/07 03:52 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: d-elvis]
oenophore Offline
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will Hillary have to evict him?

You think so? Is it too early for election bets?
(It's a safe bet Bush won't have a third term.)
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#34107 - 11/01/07 04:13 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: MarcC]
mworking Offline
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Kinda makes me sick.

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#34109 - 11/01/07 04:53 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: pedestrian]
MarcC Offline
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 Originally Posted By: pedestrian
Hey Marc. What are you doing in Utah?

Working hard to get Romney the GOP nomination.


[Of all the realistic candidates for President, Romney is the most polarizing, with the highest percentage of likely voters saying they would never vote for him. In current polling, he loses to all the potential Democratic candidates.]
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#34112 - 11/01/07 05:31 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: MarcC]
oenophore Offline
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[Of all the realistic candidates for President, Romney is the most polarizing, with the highest percentage of likely voters saying they would never vote for him. In current polling, he loses to all the potential Democratic candidates.]

That might also be said of the declared Republican I'd like most to be president, Ron Paul. But then again, you wrote "realistic."
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#34115 - 11/01/07 06:38 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: oenophore]
MarcC Offline
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 Originally Posted By: oenophore
That might also be said of the declared Republican I'd like most to be president, Ron Paul. But then again, you wrote "realistic."

Ron Paul actually has a couple of really good ideas and positions.....which are pretty much repudiated by all his bat-shit crazy ones.
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#34116 - 11/01/07 07:33 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: MarcC]
Mike Rawdon Offline

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 Originally Posted By: MarcC
No, he has an occupation strategy. Sometime next September or October, there will be another "terrorist" attack on the US or an "Iranian" attack on Israel or something similar (ie: a false flag action, likely orchestrated and implemented by one of Bush's paramilitary organizations like Blackwater). The point is, it will be serious enough to constitute a clear and present danger, thus, to maintain order and security, Bush orders Marshal Law and suspends the elections until the war on terror is won.


I absolutely believe this could happen. Especially if it looks on election night as if the Dems might be winning.

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#34122 - 11/01/07 08:28 PM Re: Exit Strategy [Re: Mike Rawdon]
oenophore Offline
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I absolutely believe this could happen.

I'd bet one hundred to one against it. The US Civil War was a far greater crisis than any mentioned above and elections took place more or less as usual.
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