For those of you who never got a set of the HB offsets....

http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/produc...67/N/4294967248

The DMM version seems pretty good and I I've climbed with a couple folk using them, but I don't think the alloy is as soft as the original HBs and seems a bit tougher to get it to stick.

Or you could buy the HB Offsets...

http://www.yosemitegifts.com/hboffsets.html

Yup... I got a set for christmas!

My wife RULES!

They only sell them in sizes up to #6 (sizes 0-2 are for aid IMHO) so that leaves you with 3 nuts to use for your trad rack. Not a full selection for me. So the DMM will fill in nicely the mid - larger sizes in offsets which I find brass to be of lesser value.

URG! when are they gonna come out with the brassies!
i want my HB(DMM) brassies!
not that the AstroNuts don't work well but I really want some more tiny tinny dinky doink placement nuts!

Who you sayin' has teeny nuts?

theyre not
yosmite mountain shop sells them - only place that does
they have tons in stock
i'll go pick some up for you but i charge a handlers fees

hmmm not sure i want you to handle my nuts for a fee.
but then again

HB offset brassies at yosemite gifts or at the yosemite climb shop, they ship fast. Aluminum DMM (HB formerly) at the same places, been using them since I got them when they first hit the shops. Stick well in sandstone and granite, no complaints. Had a set of HB's before I lost my gear in a fire, think their about the same. Believe their distributed by Excalibur in Salt Lake.