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#36738 - 04/25/08 02:57 PM Ultras (for EDK and whoever)
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My BF Steve is doing the VT 100 in July. I think we're going to be at the Pineland Farms Trail Race in Maine for Memorial Day with him doing the 50M and me doing the 50K, which I'm in no way prepared for but figure I can walk if needed. As long as I finish before him. \:\)

I didn't realize you ran ultras. It's a challenge for Steve to balance running and climbing.

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#36750 - 04/25/08 06:24 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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The Pinelands Race in ME is tempting - I met the race director doing the Bull Run Run 50 in VA 2 weeks ago. He says the race gets more popular every year.
I am doing VT100 too - hope to see you and Steve there. You crewing and/or pacing him?
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#36752 - 04/25/08 08:01 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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It looks like I have to work the weekend of the VT 100. I'm still hoping for a reprieve because it'll suck to not be there to support him but as of right now I'm stuck. If I can go, I'll probably crew. There seems to be a lot of competition to pace him and I doubt my ability to keep up with him even after 70 miles.

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#36755 - 04/25/08 08:23 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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That would suck if you missed out on it as it is an great experience. Have you guys been to it before?
I crewed and paced a friend at VT100 last year so I know what is ahead of me in my first 100. My entourage is not finalized as yet but I will sort it out.
In the meantime I plan on fitting in long training runs at the Gunks/Minnewaska/Mohonk as well as climbing - tough to fit both as you two know!
At least after the end of July I will be back to shorter races and will do just one a month so that leaves more time for climbing.
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#36770 - 04/26/08 09:45 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Dawn I hear you on the challenge! I just can't seem to put the two together. I was able to do ultra distance biking with NO problems, but for some reason the running and Triathlons really crimp (pun intended) my Climbing.

Love to meet up with you guys soon to commiserate.

The biggest problem I face is my hamstrings get SO tight when my run volume build over 50-60 MPW that climbing deteriorates or I hurt my back.

I've got a couple more 50's this year and an Ironman - so I don't think I can focus on a 100 - though it is in the cards - I need to put my volunteer time in or run some qualifying races.

You can finsih NP - climber girlz are Tuff!

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#36772 - 04/27/08 10:42 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: edk]
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I'll be doing VT 100 as well.

If anyone is in the DC vicinity between now and then, I'd be happy to do a 30+ training run and share our trails in the Shenandoah / George Washington National Forest.

The Lisa, hope you enjoyed BRR. That's my 'closer in' local training trail!

Cheers, Eric

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#36791 - 04/28/08 07:36 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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OK you guys talked me into it. I told work to go stuff it and I'm going to be crew chief for Steve the VT 100. Any crewing tips or links?

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#36793 - 04/28/08 10:29 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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 Originally Posted By: korona
The Lisa, hope you enjoyed BRR. That's my 'closer in' local training trail!


This was my second year running BRR and it was as beautiful as ever, although it was HOT and HUMID.


Edited by The Lisa (04/28/08 10:29 PM)
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#36794 - 04/28/08 10:37 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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 Originally Posted By: dalguard
OK you guys talked me into it. I told work to go stuff it and I'm going to be crew chief for Steve the VT 100. Any crewing tips or links?


You have your priorities right!
There are no doubt plenty of reports on the web for trawl for info. From my experience, the runner should give the crew a list of what to have ready at each aid station - bottle(s) of sports drink ready, number of energy gels, other food, change of shirt/socks/shoes, etc.
There is a deli where you can buy ice and water while heading to the first aid station where you will see your runner. Bring a cooler and fill it with ice, will keep food and water cool.
Other equipment:
folding chairs - for crew mainly, and for the runner if they need to change shoes/socks or just to have a rest. The crew does a LOT of sitting around so might as well be comfortable.
Basin - fill it with water to wash feet, this is so refreshing.
Changes of clothes - sweaty clothes chafe so it is good to put on clean ones every so often. It may get chilly at night even in July so be prepared with warmer stuff.
Headlamp and batteries! Unless he is so fast that he will finish before nightfall. \:\)
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#36796 - 04/28/08 11:37 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Run 100s has some helpful crew reports:

http://www.run100s.com/reports/

(A keyword search for crew on the above page will quickly bring these reports up)

A lot will likely depend on how your runner is feeling that day -- something that may be difficult to predict. My wife kindly crewed for me at the Umstead 100 earlier this month. I found the best part of her crewing was knowing that I would see her at the aid station every 12.5 miles. I was in and out of the aid stations quickly (often in a minute or less). Still, anticipating seeing her and then seeing / receiving encouragement, no matter how quickly, was a great boost.

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#36810 - 04/29/08 03:04 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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Steve feels like his transition times were too long the last time he ran VT100 so there won't be any pampering. My task is to keep it snappy and no sympathy or worrying.

So anyone else going to be at Pineland? I see that the 50M starts 2 hours before the 50K, so looks like Steve and I will have a race to the finish line.

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#36824 - 04/30/08 01:31 AM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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you hear that lisa? no sympathy!

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#36826 - 04/30/08 11:12 AM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: pedestrian]
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Well, I think anyone who enters a 100-mile race is intentionally bringing pain and suffering on themselves so should not expect sympathy.
However, they do expect treatment of blisters and changing of socks. \:\/
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#36907 - 05/07/08 02:38 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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I'm finding training for a 50K is already killing my climbing. I'm a climber who runs. I'm looking forward to the race but I'm also looking forward to being done with it.

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#36956 - 05/11/08 02:04 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Dawn,

Wait until you run the 50k. You may become a runner who climbs!

I love climbing. That said, when I think about interacting with an environment -- be it the Gunks, Zion, J Tree -- I'm just as likely to day dream about all day runs and then climbing.

Speaking of day dreaming -- I'm pacing about 50 miles, the dusk to dawn... to early afternoon leg of the Massanutten Mountain Trails 100 next weekend. The official start of the VT 100 training.

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#36969 - 05/12/08 02:41 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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That's what Steve says, that I'll get hooked. I did my longest training run yesterday and survived it. All systems are go for Pineland.

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#36977 - 05/12/08 06:47 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Pinelands looks so good, I wish I was going too! However I am travelling to enough races as it is this year. Have a great time. I met the race director at Bull Run Run in VA last month - pretty young to be a RD. He says it is getting more and more popular every year.
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#36997 - 05/13/08 02:04 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Have a good race, Eric. But if you're going to pace 50 miles you might as well enter it!

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#37160 - 05/22/08 06:10 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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 Originally Posted By: dalguard
Steve feels like his transition times were too long the last time he ran VT100 so there won't be any pampering. My task is to keep it snappy and no sympathy or worrying.

So anyone else going to be at Pineland? I see that the 50M starts 2 hours before the 50K, so looks like Steve and I will have a race to the finish line.


Hi Dawn, I am heading to Pinelands after all! Have to be in ME anyway so this will make for a nice training run. I will likely do the 50K so as not to abandon my sweetie (Pedestrian) for the entire day, just half of it.
Hope to bump into you and Steve there.
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#37174 - 05/23/08 06:52 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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That would be cool. Will you know me if you see me?

Tell you what: if my gunks.com t-shirt is clean I'll wear it for the barbecue (although you may be in and out of there before I hit the finish line).


Edited by dalguard (05/23/08 06:59 PM)

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#37176 - 05/23/08 08:59 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Dawn was that you and Steven up on Eyesore last weekend? Thought I recognized you, wasn't sure. Seems like I always come across your preserve pass and backpack at the bottom of some climb I'm doing, too.

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#37177 - 05/23/08 09:11 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Dawn, I will look out for a Gunks.com shirt then \:\)
I will be the big chick with long red hair in a braid and wearing a bright orange ball cap.
Looks to be such a pretty course. All finishers get a cowbell - gotta have more cowbell.
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#37178 - 05/23/08 09:31 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Steven, Todd and I were on Eyesore on Sunday but 2 of the 3 of us were on the ground at any given time.

Lisa, I'll look for you. I think I'm wearing grey shorts and a light green shirt and possibly a blue hat with mosquito netting. Some fairly recent photos of me here: http://dawnalguard.com/climbing/2007/04/whole-enchilada.html I'm the one with the white helmet/sticking her tongue out.

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#37179 - 05/23/08 09:45 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Great photos!
I found one of me in the aforementioned orange hat too
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#37213 - 05/27/08 04:41 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Congrats to Dawn for finishing her first trail race/first 50K at Pinelands on Sunday! Steve finished the 50-miler in impressive time also. Results are not posted yet so I do not know how I did overall, just that I was SLOW!
It was lovely course and a very well organized race. The ales on tap at the finish line feast were delicious. \:\)
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#37215 - 05/27/08 05:30 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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If you were slow, what was I?

Steve came in 4th overall and got to take home a unique looking plaque for winning his age group.

Lisa is a hell of a hill hiker. It seemed like for a long time I was running and she was hiking and I wasn't gaining any ground on her. Then I was completely dead and she swooped past me to an impressive finish. I need to learn to pace myself and churn up those hills like she does.

They ran out of beer!!!! (but they brought more in later so I did finally get one)

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#37216 - 05/27/08 06:10 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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You were doing really well for your first run at that distance is what you were, babe - especially since you had not even run marathon distance before.
Nice going for Steve too - 4th overall and 1st age group.
Good thing they organized more beer or there would have been some angry ringing of cowbells.
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#37229 - 05/27/08 07:55 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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#37235 - 05/27/08 08:17 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Nice positive report, Dawn. I LOVE when I see a hill up ahead because it means I can legitimately slow to a walk \:D
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#37267 - 05/28/08 03:05 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Thanks. In case it's not obvious, you're the friend at the finish line. It really meant a lot to me that you guys were there. Even though we just met, the few times we touched base on the run made me feel like I had a support system.

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#37297 - 05/28/08 06:34 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Yes I was touched you meant Nate and I. I have always felt a little lonely at the few races I have done alone where none of my ultra friends are racing and no Nate at the finish line. It is nice to have at least one person there know your name.
Two of my ultrarunning friends will be doing VT100 too so there will be a nice group of crew and pacers to hang out with.
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#37373 - 05/29/08 05:03 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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VT100's going to be fun, especially for me, since I'm not running. \:\)

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#37395 - 05/29/08 07:51 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Pineland Farms race results are posted here
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#37965 - 06/22/08 07:58 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Congrats, Lisa and Dawn, on the Pineland Farms run! Lisa, I agree, running alone is a challenge. My wife and I are running Finger Lakes together.... but because we're making an extended vacation out of it, she won't be able to take time off for VT 100. I really looked forward to seeing her at the start of every lap of Umstead. It will be a challenge going 100 at VT without her.

In case you're at Finger Lakes (and in anticipation of VT) here's a picture of us here.

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#37968 - 06/23/08 03:20 AM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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We have to make sure all of us who'll be at VT manage to meet up.

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#37977 - 06/23/08 06:35 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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No Finger Lakes for me this year - I go away for enough races already this year so will stay local and put in 3 back-to-back-to-back days.
I did the FL 50K a few years ago and found the course pretty but the continuous mud made for tough going. Hope it's drier for you two.
As Dawn says, we must meet up in VT. I need to reserve motel rooms for me and crew - where is everyone staying? I was thinking of staying in the town of Woodstock.
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#37979 - 06/23/08 07:56 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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This place http://www.pondridgemotel.com/home.html

Make reservations soon. They seemed to be filling up when I made them a couple weeks ago.

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#37980 - 06/23/08 08:12 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Thanks, I will check them out.
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#37998 - 06/24/08 03:10 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Lisa and Dawn,

I'll be camping out in the meadow (makes the 3am check in a little easier!). Will you be at the Friday dinner?

--E

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#38003 - 06/24/08 07:34 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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I'm assuming we'll be at the dinner.

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#38007 - 06/24/08 08:54 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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We will be at the meeting at 4:00pm, of course. I am not not sure yet if we will stay for the dinner.
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#38051 - 06/27/08 02:07 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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CONGRATS Dawn on a great race, and an entertaining RR!!!

You finished in the top half of the race, outstanding!

I've never done more than 30k in an open race, altho I am eying the Philly marathon as a season ender for later this year....

If TNF comes back to Bear Mtn again next year, methinks I'm going to have to look into doing that.
(probably "just" the 50k, I have no desire to "run" 50m. Yet. )

Way to go!!!
-M

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#38060 - 06/27/08 04:49 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: MurphysLaw]
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Thanks Murph.

Did you guys see the news about Western States? Looks like there'll be a lot more people jostling on the starting line for VT100.

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#38182 - 07/02/08 02:22 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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We're not staying at that place I gave the link to anymore. I'm not sure where we're going to be but we're going to be south instead of north because it turns out there are relatives in Springfield.

We'll be there for pre-race and I'll be looking out for Lisa and Eric. Anyone else?

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#38184 - 07/02/08 02:48 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Hi. I'm a Gunks.com lurker who'll be at the VT100 as well. My girlfriend ran the 50K last year, and this year she volunteered to crew. We're staying at the Ascutney VT state campground. I suppose I'll look for folks wearing Gunks.com t-shirts to say hello.

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#38216 - 07/02/08 10:53 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: randonee]
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My entourage and I will be staying in the ski resort at Brownsville.
Looking forward to seeing everyone - will remember to wear Gunks.com t-shirt
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#38409 - 07/12/08 10:14 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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OK, I'm told we're not eating dinner but we'll be there for the pre-race meeting.

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#38492 - 07/15/08 08:34 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Good, will see you there.
I want it to start already! This tapering is killing me.
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#38509 - 07/16/08 07:06 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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I'll be wearing a blue VHTRC (Virginia Happy Trails Running Club) shirt. I'll keep an eye out for the Gunks.com shirts!

Eric

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#38560 - 07/20/08 11:08 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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OK, more to come but in case anyone besides the 3 of us care, we all did super-great! Eric, I'm sorry I didn't see you at the award ceremony. Thanks so much for the car pass!

Randonee, sorry we didn't connect. Lisa and I were wearing our Gunks.com t-shirts at the pre-race meeting but not on race day. Too hot for cotton (and Lisa was running).

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#38572 - 07/21/08 03:43 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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There was a great showing by all gunks.commers! BIG congrats to Steve for finishing 7th in a very competitive field.
I got to meet Korona too - Eric, I hope you slept well in your tent after your great run. I had a tough time getting much sleep in a real bed in an air conditioned room.
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#38577 - 07/21/08 05:22 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Lisa, you came in 7th woman. Congratulations.

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#38579 - 07/21/08 06:00 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: pedestrian]
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Ta!
The 100K results are mixed in with the 100-milers but it is possible to figure out. 7th woman and 37th overall, it seems.
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#38580 - 07/21/08 06:37 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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Lisa, wow! 7th is fantastic. We've got the 7s all tied up on Gunks.com.

Ridiculous the way they mixed those results. We couldn't figure out who was what.

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#38582 - 07/21/08 09:47 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Lisa, Dawn and Steve, great to meet you this weekend. Congrats to both Steve and Lisa on top 10 finishes!

Lisa, I ended up doing most of my sleeping in the med tent. After hanging out with you at the finish, I hobbled over to the cots, lay down, and did my Bill's Aid Station trick again.

Lesson learned: long ultras are not to be done without a crew. At least for me, I could benefit from a mentally competent person to help me get calories in and skanky clothes off at the end of a 100.

Hope to see you at a race soon!

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#38583 - 07/21/08 10:24 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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It's tough to crew this thing. When making predictions, your runner will assume a consistent pace throughout the event. Such simple math will inevitably be wrong, wrong, wrong for a 100 miler because they will start out strong and finish slow. they might assume the correct average pace but even so, they'll be up to 2 hours ahead of this pace around the 50-70 mile mark. the race doesn't start until 70 miles in, when it gets dark again and everybody starts dragging. Many runners in this event simply power-hiked the last 30 miles, taking 12 hours to do so.

13 minute miles are slow for most runners, the runner will naturally run faster at the outset. No doubt it's hard to run that slow when you're used to going faster! Especially in the heat we had, most of the do-not-finishes seem to result from those who push too hard too early. 30 minutes ahead of schedule after the first 4 hours worked out well for Lisa, but we heard stories of those who were 2 hours ahead very early and inevitably dropped out.

I'd been following along Lou Dawson's blog about crewing the 24 Hours of Sunlight, another 24 hour endurance event. Supporting an event like that, even though it's in the winter, seems simple by comparison. In that event, the relay teams especially were putting in very consistent, predictable times per lap, the variability was coming from the rest times they were taking between laps. Want to have hot food ready for your team member when they come down from a lap? No problem just look at your watch, start cooking ramen 10 minutes before they're gonna arrive. At the VT100? You're probably better off leaving the cooking to the aid station volunteers, it's what they're there for and you really have no idea when your runner is showing up.

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#38584 - 07/21/08 10:39 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: pedestrian]
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Much agreed -- meeting your runner during the race is definitely tough. In many ways, crewing these things takes more skill than running them. Hats off to all those who crewed VT. I paced MMT and, after discussions with my runner, ended up with a 6 hour fastest - slowest window for our meet up.

For my own weird physiology (tendency to bunk once I stop running but not during running) I think a crew would be most helpful at the finish. Finishes are hard to estimate as well.... but at least here crews can wait in relative comfort.

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#38585 - 07/21/08 10:45 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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Oh, I definitely think running it is tougher! These 100 milers provide a unique opportunity to participate though, a non-runner with some recent long powerhikes under his (or her) belt might be capable of pacing some of the slower finishers. Very much in keeping with the VT Adaptive Ski & Sport philosophy ;\)


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#38586 - 07/21/08 11:33 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: pedestrian]
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Eric, you poor thing. I should have thought to have you come back to our hotel so you could shower and crash on the couch. Definitely line up some support and comfort for your next 100.
I learned a lot about giving crew a bigger window for arrival times in future. I also made sure I could survive without them in case car trouble came up or something else delayed them. However, they were there when I needed them and they had everything ready for me whenever I came into the station.
Runners joke that 'CREW' stands for 'Cranky Runner, Endless Waiting' - I was determined never to be a cranky runner but they still had to put up with the endless waiting. It is a long day out for them as well as the runners.
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#38590 - 07/22/08 01:40 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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We mostly went straight to each aid station so there was no worry about missing him, but I did have something that helped tremendously with guessing when he'd show up. I don't think I was ever more than 15 minutes off.

What we did was pull the split times from the previous year (they were on the website) for a couple of people who finished about where he hoped to finish and used those as a guide for the spacing between stations. We'd add their average delta to the time he came in to the previous station and come up with a predicted time for the next station. As Nate said, the runner's pace is changing throughout the race, plus straight mileage doesn't tell you how steep or technical the terrain is.

My runner was VERY cranky.

Eric, we were looking out for you at the first couple of stations to at least give you a morale boost, but Steve jumped to the front earlier than I expected. That first aid station is so far that people have striated already. FWIW, Steve's crew pumped too many calories into him and he ended up vomiting a couple of times. So maybe it's a no-win situation on a day like Saturday.

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#38594 - 07/22/08 04:51 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Yayoi had a much better idea of when Lisa would show up than Lisa did...

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#38596 - 07/22/08 05:51 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Lisa, I'll definitely have someone with me the next go around. I also will do research into the physiology of these events and how to avoid sudden bonks post exercise. As much as I don't relish the idea of further movement after 100 miles, I wonder if a 20-30 minute warm down, while downing fluids and cals, might be the answer.

Dawn, I imagine I was well behind Steve by the first aid station. I'm usually mid pack for the first half of ultras and slowly inch forward in the second half.

VT 100 updated the finishers and separated out the 100ks. Congrats to all -- a strong showing (top 15%)! Steve gets the yellow jersey, Lisa gets the polka dots, and Nate, Dawn and Lisa's pacer (name?) get free beers for the next month.

Eric

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#38597 - 07/22/08 05:56 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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Glucose drip might be the ticket ;\)

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#38599 - 07/22/08 09:49 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: pedestrian]
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Free beer sounds better than a glucose drip.

Top 15% is excellent, Eric. Anything under 24 hours is impressive. I'm so glad they fixed the results so we can make sense of them.

Lisa, was this really your first 100? Somehow I had the idea you were really experienced. Now I'm doubly impressed.

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#38600 - 07/22/08 10:17 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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#38609 - 07/23/08 04:06 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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Great report, Dawn! You certainly had fun the day your CREWED.
I have run lots of trail races from marathon to 70-mile distance but Vermont is my first 100.
Hope Steve is feeling good. The soreness is gradually leaving my legs.
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#38617 - 07/23/08 10:17 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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I enjoyed your report, Dawn, and Steve's as well. Inspiring -- makes me really want to train for one of these 100s rather than haphazardly stringing runs together in advance of the 100.

Anyone in for MMT next year?

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#38645 - 07/24/08 03:43 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: korona]
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MMT is very tempting - I love hilly rocky tough courses (automatic justification for my slow time )
However the Leadville 100 has caught my interest too. I have only raced on the East coast and in Wisconsin so would love to head further west and try some higher elevation runs.
Hmmm, time to start planning next year's races.....
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#38691 - 07/27/08 08:46 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: The Lisa]
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So who's doing what next? We need something to look forward to. Steve was toying with the idea of doing a 100 in Wyoming next month but he hasn't even run since the race so I don't see it happening. I had plans to climb a lot but it's another rainy Sunday and I'm sitting at home. Anyone got a definite goal?

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#38704 - 07/28/08 02:53 PM Re: Ultras (for EDK and whoever) [Re: dalguard]
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I am sticking to 100K's and 50-milers for now, no more 100 milers until next year. Next up for me is the GEER 100K in Charlottesville VA on September 27th. I ran it last year and it is a very hilly course.
I have yet to resume running after VT100 but the legs should be ready to run in a few more days. I certainly WANT to be out running.
Good for Steve to be considering another 100 so soon.
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