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#3942 - 03/16/02 02:33 PM Re: *sigh* [Re: Edgy]
Smike Offline
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I got lost in a card board box once....


Anyway, bolts and guide books to climbs on "private land" have to go by the land owners whishes 1st, no exceptions.


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#3943 - 03/16/02 11:04 PM Re: *sigh* [Re: Edgy]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
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Running Man on the A.I. wall is/was bolted.

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#3944 - 03/17/02 02:20 AM Re: *AI* [Re: LesterLeBlanc]
crackers Offline
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i think that was the point lester.

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#3945 - 03/18/02 05:53 PM Re: *AI* [Re: crackers]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
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My point exactly.

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#3946 - 03/18/02 06:18 PM Re: *AI* [Re: LesterLeBlanc]
Edgy Offline
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Past tense form of the verb is correct.....was.

ed

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#3947 - 03/18/02 06:58 PM Re: *AI* [Re: Edgy]
Smike Offline
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Must have been the chopped bolts I saw while rapping drown this face at LC. It pissed me off to see the smashed ugly hanger(s) still in the rock. Hey I'm all for "no bolts" but take them out and fill in the hole for crying out loud. The smashed hangers were a point well taken by anyone wanted/thinking of bolting the LC, but it amounted to someone just spray-painting "don't bolt here" on the rock.

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#3948 - 03/18/02 09:28 PM Re: *AI* [Re: Smike]
Edgy Offline
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Smike,

I agree with you about the smashed over hangers....

I'm not big on chopping bolts (as I'm also against adding bolts to routes.) But, I can see how an individual or the community may want to remove bolts that they sincerely and honestly feel are an affront to the history and "ethics" of an area.

Those who chop make a reasonable and rational statement by removing the bolts and patching the holes. But smashing them over is purely an act of vandalism. This behavior always makes me question the chopper's real motivations. It seems to me, this type of chopping isn't about "making it right," but more about uncontrolled anger and disrespect.

It's worse than spray painting the rock, because of the extreme component of violence involved. It isn't pleasant or easy work to bend a hanger over or smash a 1/2' thick glue-in into an unusable mess. Such actions aren't fueled by love of the rock, but by hatred of others.

Consider the real result of smashing them over: before smashing-- a climbable route with "ugly" bolts....after smashing--an unclimbable route that's even "uglier."

ed e

ps. Before you're taken to task for not knowing your way around the various "secret" (oops, I mean "undocumented") crags.... the A I wall is at Bonticou....not LC.

There are also smashed hangers at LC that have been there for years in that condition.




Edited by Edgy (03/18/02 09:42 PM)

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#3949 - 03/18/02 09:47 PM Re: *AI* [Re: Edgy]
Edgy Offline
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oops...

Lester, you're right....present tense.....as the strong punks I try to boulder with say....my bad...

ed e

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#3950 - 03/19/02 12:19 AM Re: *AI* [Re: Edgy]
Smike Offline
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Ops, Bonticou. Thanks for the correction Edgy. I was sure to get flamed into orbit for that. I was just pissed (and still am) about the smashed hangers at LC.

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#3951 - 03/25/02 07:43 PM Re: *AI* [Re: Edgy]
andrew Offline

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I'll clean those smashed bolts up next time I'm at the Gunks. I hate that kind of chopping-lazy and juvenile.
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