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#42451 - 12/20/08 02:20 AM
Re: Go F Yourself Governor Patterson
[Re: oenophore]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/29/01
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Loc: LI, NY
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Note that proposed taxes complained about above are upon things we really don't need. define "Need." And, who are you or anyone else to define what I "Need." I FUCKING HATE RADIO. I drive to and from work. so i download music. Am I now to be taxed because you feel I don't "Need" it? Or will it drive me to more illegal download sites and torrents? Oh, and I sell soda for a living. Demographic I sell to doesn't give a CRAP about diet soda. I sell about 20:1 regular Vs. diet sodas. Are my sales to now suffer because you think they should have Aspertame instead of delicious sweet sugar and corn syrup?
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#42452 - 12/20/08 07:09 PM
Re: Go F Yourself Governor Patterson
[Re: Daniel]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 3134
Loc: in your backyard
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Basically how can you interrupt this law as anything other then if I have money I dont need to worry about what I drink???? But what about mandatory helmet laws, which are based on the same health premise: that changing behavior will result in an overall reduction in societal expenses (and therefore create tax savings)? Different story and does not apply to my argument, as that type of law does not allow opt-out with paying higher $$$. Thats a law that says, 'we think this is dangerous whether you are poor or rich' And more important, what are the alternatives to resolve the budget crisis? If it's cutting spending, what should be cut? If it's higher taxes, who should pay? I'd guess any plan will probably have to have some combination of the two. ) Don't drag me into that, I'm only talking about sugar soda tax  As for Evan, I'm sure his overhead will increase some due to the increase complexity of the different tax rates now. Also the increase complexity at the state level to regulate. Most likely the increase in overhead to maintain such a tax will negate the increase in revenue IMHO.
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#42454 - 12/20/08 11:32 PM
Re: Go F Yourself Governor Patterson
[Re: RangerRob]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/29/01
Posts: 2941
Loc: LI, NY
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My business is wholesale. I don't charge tax. It will however, affect my sales.
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#42456 - 12/21/08 03:22 AM
Re: Go F Yourself Governor Patterson
[Re: Smike]
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veteran
Registered: 05/23/01
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Basically how can you interrupt this law as anything other then if I have money I dont need to worry about what I drink???? But what about mandatory helmet laws, which are based on the same health premise: that changing behavior will result in an overall reduction in societal expenses (and therefore create tax savings)? Different story and does not apply to my argument, as that type of law does not allow opt-out with paying higher $$$. Thats a law that says, 'we think this is dangerous whether you are poor or rich' But it still has a regressive effect. It's much easier to buy a helmet if you can afford one. So the effect of compliance on the family budget is similar. (And if you can't afford a helmet, should you have to give up your ability to bike?)
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#42457 - 12/21/08 04:17 AM
Re: Go F Yourself Governor Patterson
[Re: Daniel]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 3134
Loc: in your backyard
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But it still has a regressive effect. It's much easier to buy a helmet if you can afford one. So the effect of compliance on the family budget is similar. (And if you can't afford a helmet, should you have to give up your ability to bike?) ok if you go that route then if you can't afford decent tires and pass inspection should you have to give up riding your bike? Where does this end? Ok this whole thing is silly, much more to worry about in this world. Happy Holidays all, I'm out!
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#42460 - 12/21/08 03:46 PM
Re: Go F Yourself Governor Patterson
[Re: Mike Rawdon]
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old hand
Registered: 05/26/04
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(And if you can't afford a helmet, should you have to give up your ability to bike?) ...the gov't rules exist to protect the rest of us from having to foot the bill that results when Joe "ain't got me no insurance" six-pack hurts himself/others. That reasoning is why I dont have a problem with the idea of this particular tax under our tax system today. But I understand that just about all specific taxes have unintended results, and that everything we can think of needs to be weighed carefully while knowing that we will still have missed something. Ideally Empicard would be reimbursed for lost business, but we know that would not happen. In general I believe in a far simpler more efficient tax system. But that wont happen unless we the people step up, make the hard choice and pay the large tax bill we would then receive. Instead of putting wine and beer in grocery stores, it might be better to move cigarettes, soda and other unhealthy products into the liquor store system and tax them accordingly! Cant say I know where to draw the line though.
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