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#43434 - 03/12/09 06:18 PM Rappel Rings
Adrian Offline

Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 73
Just a quick question. Who puts in the rappel rings and webbing on routes? I climbed Dennis over the weekend and saw the old rappel next to Jackie is gone. I'm just wondering if anyone can just put a few webbing and a couple of rap rings on the big trees. I don't want to slap webbing and rings all over the place. Just want to keep the place clean.

#43435 - 03/12/09 07:01 PM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: Adrian]
Julie Offline

Registered: 01/16/00
Posts: 2090
Loc: SoCal
Slings & rings appear & disappear from the tree atop Jackie with regularity.

It is easy enough to walk down from there .... if the Uberfall isn't pouring or iced over, say.

It's also reasonably easy to rap from other nearby stations .... if you already know where they are.

In general, "climbers" may replace fixed gear with like kind.

#43436 - 03/12/09 07:03 PM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: Adrian]
kmc2 Offline

Registered: 10/02/08
Posts: 18
The webbing ontop of Jackie is cut and replaced frequently. I beleive the reason is that it is close to the walkoff, and when people rap from the top of P2, it further crowds the already crowded Jackie/Classic/Pink Laurel Ledge.

I am certainly not the source on if it is ok to add new rap stations or not, but I would think it would be ok to replace existing slings at anchors and trees, but I would say it is probably not a good idea to add new rap stations. One reason is, as you said, it could be seen as littering and a bit of an eye soar. The other reason is that someone will most certainly cut your new slings if you try to build some sort of a new rap anchor. There is an easy decent option from just about anywhere in the Trapps already. Whether that would be a rap from that particular climb, rap from a neighboring route, or a walk off.

#43439 - 03/12/09 07:21 PM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: kmc2]
Dillbag Offline
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Registered: 05/02/06
Posts: 1130
Loc: "The Town"
Yeah... seems like the slings and rings on Jackie do disappear quite quickly...
...anethum graveolens cucumis sativus!

#43444 - 03/12/09 11:14 PM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: Dillbag]
AOR Offline

Registered: 08/27/04
Posts: 392
Am I missing something? It's been a year or so since I've been at the Classic/Jackie first pitch ledge, but aren't there bolts w/rings and/or chains on the wall just behind the tree?

(which would explain the lack of rappel slings and rings on the tree itself).

#43445 - 03/13/09 12:03 AM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: AOR]
jdw Offline

Registered: 03/25/01
Posts: 219
Loc: Connecticut
I think the original poster is referring to the top of P2, not P1.


#43446 - 03/13/09 12:21 AM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: jdw]
MarcC Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 07/10/00
Posts: 3532
 Originally Posted By: jdw
I think the original poster is referring to the top of P2, not P1.

Careful. You're gonna cause brains to explode when people realize there aren't a ton of one-pitch climbs in the Gunks and that most are 2 or, gasp, even 3!
- Marc

#43447 - 03/13/09 01:20 AM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: MarcC]
Adrian Offline

Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 73
Yup, P2. Anyway, I just want to make sure.

#43449 - 03/13/09 02:04 AM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: Adrian]
rg@ofmc Online   content

Registered: 12/25/99
Posts: 2472
Loc: Poughkeepsie, NY
There are no official rules about where rappel slings can or cannot go. Anyone can install them, and anyone can take them down. But surely rappelling from the top of Jackie into what is almost always a large collection of climbers is at the very best extremely rude and inconsiderate and at worst endangers others. In view of the fact that a party can walk down and return to the base faster than two people can set up and carry out two rappels, there is no reason to rappel from the top of Jackie (well, maybe if the Uberfall is totally iced up) and many very good reasons not to. This isn't about some old-school love of walking back. It's about behaving with a modicum of consideration and common decency.

I imagine that folks who get hit by ropes thrown from the top are rather inclined to go up there and cut down any slings that encourage such behavior, and that's why rap stations up there don't seem to last long.

#43451 - 03/13/09 03:11 AM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: rg@ofmc]
RangerRob Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/06/00
Posts: 3765
Loc: Ulster County, NY
Yeah....What he said

#43458 - 03/13/09 12:35 PM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: RangerRob]
Smike Offline
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Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 3143
Loc: in your backyard
I say cut the trees down, problem solved.

#43459 - 03/13/09 01:18 PM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: rg@ofmc]
Timbo Online   content

Registered: 12/23/99
Posts: 696
Loc: Delaware
 Originally Posted By: rg@ofmc
In view of the fact that a party can walk down and return to the base faster than two people can set up and carry out two rappels,

And if you use the Radcliff descent, you can do it before they even get the rappel set up

I consider any rap station on that part of the cliff booty, to be reused at another, more appropriate location (like, say, the far end of the Nears where most 2nd pitches are nothing but piles of choss and lichen).


#43480 - 03/13/09 08:39 PM Re: Rappel Rings [Re: Timbo]
redtag Offline

Registered: 06/26/07
Posts: 98
walk off

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