Steve, more later. I have to rock out of here for now.

steve-how many log ins do you need?

Is it any coincidence that Eenie Meenie happens to be, if I am not mistaken, EXACTLY the boundary of the "here there be dragons" "choss zone" that is alluded to in the Swain guide? Hmm. Perhaps this potential issue was known, and kept quiet, as far back as the 90s when that was written.

Well, time to figure out and establish where the best rap line is, just beyond the closed zone.

Pretty sad all around. I am not much of a legaleeze guy and think I can see both sides. What I don't see is how there is any property damage taking place by use of a long standing right of way through this area, especially in light of the protection to property owners now afforded under NYS law when others engage in recreational persuits on un-improved property. This is just squeezing the climbers in an attempt to change local law, not because they are a significant problem or concern. The owners may have that leal right but it still hurts the wrong folks and I can't believe there would be any real benefit ever to the owners.

what is the bottom-cliff boundary of the private property? is the cliff face private? can we traverse over the private property?
how far south? i see it starts at eenie meenie, when does legal climbing begin again?

Kent answered all this up-thread: there is no bottom-cliff boundary; the cliff face is private, all the way to the top. No, you cannot traverse over the private property.

Kent says 150' past Eenie, which would put the other end down by ... Gold Rush? I think ETToo would be beyond the closed section.

As for rapping down, can you rap anywhere around there in a single rap with doubles? I don't remember anything good around there until you hit the Williams wall, at which point it's probably quicker to walk around.

Chip- didn't the recreational pursuits specifically not include climbing?

Ped- in the intro Swain says it's chossy from Grease Gun to Ground Control... which is considerably bigger area. But then again, it's all privately owned, so you could be right.

MarcC, he never specifically mentions the cliff face.

Quanto, my friend who is a big whoop in the recreation field says climbing was specificly included in the law, unless the property has been modified to make it more suitable or convenient for the activity.

Thanks to his starting a thread on rc.com,it's getting confusing, esp. when he references this thread over there regarding answers. Yeah, here he said you can't walk along the base - over there he said the private land includes the cliff face.