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#67868 - 04/18/13 02:47 AM Re: Guess the route [Re: SethG]
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Edited by Dana (04/18/13 02:48 AM)

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#67869 - 04/18/13 03:11 AM Re: Guess the route [Re: Dana]
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Yep, that's it. Smile when you say that!

I didn't actually climb WCT but I did climb your route on the same wall, Dana, Good Friday Climb. Just the first pitch, really liked it! Great face climbing, how was the pro in 1980? You had RP's, right? Do you have any good stories about that route? I guess nobody goes above the first pitch these days but I thought it might be fun to go back and do the third pitch 5.9+ roof.
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#67878 - 04/18/13 04:53 PM Re: Guess the route [Re: Mike Rawdon]
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I'm guessing Emilio.

Triple Bulges was unclimbed at the time.

Originally Posted By: Mike Rawdon
Could possibly be the third bulge of Triple Bulges, taken from Northern Pillar.

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#67880 - 04/18/13 05:19 PM Re: Guess the route [Re: SethG]
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Yes, we had RPs; I believe they were first available in the east in 1979.
It was a long time ago, and I don't remember much about the upper parts. It was clean at the time and a typical 'Gunks 5.9+ roof. That whole section is overgrown now and wouldn't be much fun.

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#67882 - 04/18/13 05:28 PM Re: Guess the route [Re: Dana]
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I never understand this, it seems to happen a lot in the 'Daks. Routes that are MORE overgrown now than they were at the time of the first ascent. Is this a product of climate change? Acid rain?
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#67884 - 04/18/13 11:49 PM Re: Guess the route [Re: SethG]
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Originally Posted By: SethG
I never understand this, it seems to happen a lot in the 'Daks. Routes that are MORE overgrown now than they were at the time of the first ascent. Is this a product of climate change? Acid rain?


What it means is that the oft-repeated warning about not disturbing lichen because "it takes 100 years to grow" is about 95% rubbish.

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#67885 - 04/19/13 03:06 AM Re: Guess the route [Re: Mike Rawdon]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Rawdon
Originally Posted By: SethG
I never understand this, it seems to happen a lot in the 'Daks. Routes that are MORE overgrown now than they were at the time of the first ascent. Is this a product of climate change? Acid rain?


What it means is that the oft-repeated warning about not disturbing lichen because "it takes 100 years to grow" is about 95% rubbish.

Who ever said or even suggested that the "overgrown" stuff was lichen? Look closely and you'll see that much of the growth on unclimbed sections is moss, not lichen.

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#67887 - 04/19/13 09:51 AM Re: Guess the route [Re: retroscree]
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Retro, the discussion about "cleaner at the time of the FA" was explicitly about WCT. While I haven't done the upper pitches, I'm pretty sure, based on upper pitches elsewhere in the Nears, that there's an abundance of lichen on the face rather than moss. Top pitch of The Hounds is another good example of lichen obscuring a line in relatively short time.

Moss in the Daks? Sure, but that was just a passing reference by Seth. I have no idea how long it takes for moss to grow back on anything other than the roof of my house (3-5 yr).

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#67888 - 04/19/13 01:48 PM Re: Guess the route [Re: Mike Rawdon]
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Is there a consensus on the actual explanation? I suspect maybe in the act of "cleaning" the rock we disturb the balance of the ecosystem which previously existed and set the stage for one aggressive plant (moss) or quasi-animal (lichen) to repopulate the surface...
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#67890 - 04/19/13 04:15 PM Re: Guess the route [Re: SethG]
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Different lichens grow at different rates and those rates can be affected in either direction by elevation, aspect, moisture level, proximity to large bodies of water, and substrate (ie: surface they are growing upon).

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/palynology/geos462/13lichenometry.html

http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/mycology/1995-August/002601.html

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