Chip and dalguard you make a lot of sense

I dont like Chris being peronally attacked for doing volunteer work, I think it's pretty crappy and very unfair.

However these attachs do bring up an important point.

If the GCC has turned into a locals only group by default then so be it.

But the appearance or even the perception that it's a locals only can be very damaging for the long term.

That's not my perception of the GCC. And though I agree the SCC is an excellent group, there are plenty of reasons as to why the GCC/SCC don't have the same level of actions/acquisitions; only the FIRST being that the SCC has a high number of local climbers who actually GET INVOLVED.

There are also huge differences in land ownership/availability and all sorts of other things between the the Shawangunks ridge, and the several states that the SCC covers.

I have been to SCC events. They do an excellent job. But to compare the GCC as coming up short, especially from those who are judging based on the PR notices online, is just wrong.

Ped,

Your old lady certainly didn't think I was gay.

Dalguard,

Great post! Ditto.

I don't know any of the players here, so 'unbiasedly':

You can't vote for a Senator without being a resident, citizen, and pay your taxes, obey laws, etc. If the GCC has no membership dues, what contribution does one make in order to pay for the right to vote? And how does the GCC become aware of that contribution?

Who else should the Access Fund be working with at the Gunks?

I once stated here that I support and pay dues to multiple climbing organizations but that I intentionally don't support the GCC because I don't agree with their stance on many issues. The reply was along the lines of "Nyah, nyah, if you support the Access Fund, you support us whether you want to or not." I guess that's the point at which it rankles.

Along the lines of supporting other climbing organizations, I'll be wearing my Southeastern Climber's Coalition shirt at the Trapps, or Nears, this afternoon.

I stopped renewing my Access Fund membership because of their support of the now defunct, but still there somehow, GCC.

Well... I'm wearing a bright green Ralph Lauren Polo shirt with kaki pants and trail runnung shoes...

A wonderful all around spring attire

Great for a casual day at the office and loose enough for avioding vomit on the subways...

Whats an Access Fund? some new adult web site?

It's pretty sad that since the day I called on the GCC to have new elections Chris Moratz has been mute, Janette has been mute, WTF?

Hey Chris M and Janette P et al. if you are reading this, it is my opinion that your days are up. Time for new elections people. Failing to address this forum is just more proof that you guys are unable to communicate with your constituancy.

Yawn. Trolling about new elections on the Internet is pretty gay, until and unless there are credible candidates for said elections. Nothing to talk about till then, 'specially for someone who's not even gonna show his face at a meeting.

Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded...