No doubt, and at least some of us don't agree with that action. But did you honestly think that wouldn't happen? On 150' of trail? That has been in continuous use for at least 60 years? By some members of a group who feel they are being used as pawns in a small town political pissing contest? Really? And even if they weren't torn down, did you honestly think that even a simple 51% majority were respecting them? Really?

Well, that's the core of the problem Marc. It's private property and should be respected as such.

I agree.
We can also rightfully wonder why the private aspect wasn't being posted/enforced 50 years ago. Or 25. Or 10. Or even 5.

It was always live and let live, until the zoning law.

I declare! This thread (and the other threads like it) are like watching a nasty bus accident, or a Van Damme movie! I cannot bear to look and yet I cannot turn away...

I may be many things my dear lady, but I am most certainly not Pithy! I can't help it if I am shallow and transparent...it's in my genes. Calling me a bot from rockclimbing.com though....that's grounds for a serious ass kicking!!!

Kenr: It was always live and let live, until the zoning law.

MarcC: a small town political pissing contest

Need any more be said?

Not really I suppose. I keep hoping that at some point Kent and the landowners will have the intellectual honesty to just simply state that "Yes, we're using climbers as unwilling pawns to try to get what we want from the town." This thread is about the closest he's come and not hide behind the lofty verbiage of landowner rights and issues of respect.

I have very thin skin, and won't ever forget a few years ago, when I offered professional services to GCC and was told "No we definitely don't need you. We already have somebody handling that."

Also, please see page six of an old issue of "Friends of Shawangunks" http://shawangunks.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/shawangunk_watch0502.pdf ....in which a letter from its president offers hearty support for closing the Gunks MUA. Printed next to this, some apparently aimless doggerel by GCC's award-winning Chris Spatz.

i had the same experience.