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#44690 - 05/15/09 03:25 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: dalguard]
phil Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/12/01
Posts: 2627
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
Chip and dalguard you make a lot of sense

I dont like Chris being peronally attacked for doing volunteer work, I think it's pretty crappy and very unfair.

However these attachs do bring up an important point.

If the GCC has turned into a locals only group by default then so be it.

But the appearance or even the perception that it's a locals only can be very damaging for the long term.


Edited by phil (05/15/09 03:28 PM)

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#44692 - 05/15/09 04:25 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: phil]
TerrieM Online   content
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Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 426
Loc: Gunks in Summer, Southwest in ...
That's not my perception of the GCC. And though I agree the SCC is an excellent group, there are plenty of reasons as to why the GCC/SCC don't have the same level of actions/acquisitions; only the FIRST being that the SCC has a high number of local climbers who actually GET INVOLVED.

There are also huge differences in land ownership/availability and all sorts of other things between the the Shawangunks ridge, and the several states that the SCC covers.

I have been to SCC events. They do an excellent job. But to compare the GCC as coming up short, especially from those who are judging based on the PR notices online, is just wrong.


Edited by TerrieM (05/15/09 04:26 PM)

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#44720 - 05/15/09 10:59 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: pedestrian]
Jgreene Offline
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Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 171
Ped,

Your old lady certainly didn't think I was gay.

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#44721 - 05/15/09 11:00 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: Jgreene]
Jgreene Offline
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Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 171
Dalguard,

Great post! Ditto.

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#44766 - 05/18/09 11:53 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: dalguard]
edpav Offline
stranger

Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 22
Loc: Mass
Originally Posted By: dalguard
For instance, I can want to elect a new Senator without having the desire to be a Senator or have any part in running our government.

but I do wish the Access Fund wasn't holding them up as my local representative when they have nothing to do with me.


I don't know any of the players here, so 'unbiasedly':

You can't vote for a Senator without being a resident, citizen, and pay your taxes, obey laws, etc. If the GCC has no membership dues, what contribution does one make in order to pay for the right to vote? And how does the GCC become aware of that contribution?

Who else should the Access Fund be working with at the Gunks?

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#44779 - 05/19/09 03:28 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: edpav]
dalguard Offline
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Registered: 03/22/00
Posts: 1515
Loc: CT
I once stated here that I support and pay dues to multiple climbing organizations but that I intentionally don't support the GCC because I don't agree with their stance on many issues. The reply was along the lines of "Nyah, nyah, if you support the Access Fund, you support us whether you want to or not." I guess that's the point at which it rankles.

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#44780 - 05/19/09 04:00 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: dalguard]
Kent Offline
old hand

Registered: 01/21/00
Posts: 1038
Loc: The Bayards
Along the lines of supporting other climbing organizations, I'll be wearing my Southeastern Climber's Coalition shirt at the Trapps, or Nears, this afternoon.

I stopped renewing my Access Fund membership because of their support of the now defunct, but still there somehow, GCC.


Edited by Kent (05/19/09 04:01 PM)

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#44783 - 05/19/09 06:10 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: Kent]
phil Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/12/01
Posts: 2627
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
Well... I'm wearing a bright green Ralph Lauren Polo shirt with kaki pants and trail runnung shoes... smile

A wonderful all around spring attire crazy

Great for a casual day at the office and loose enough for avioding vomit on the subways... sick

Whats an Access Fund? some new adult web site?


Edited by phil (05/19/09 06:11 PM)

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#44830 - 05/21/09 01:50 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: phil]
Jgreene Offline
member

Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 171
It's pretty sad that since the day I called on the GCC to have new elections Chris Moratz has been mute, Janette has been mute, WTF?

Hey Chris M and Janette P et al. if you are reading this, it is my opinion that your days are up. Time for new elections people. Failing to address this forum is just more proof that you guys are unable to communicate with your constituancy.

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#44832 - 05/21/09 02:08 PM Re: NEW GCC ELECTIONS [Re: Jgreene]
pedestrian Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/05/02
Posts: 2244
Loc: a heavily fortified bunker!
Yawn. Trolling about new elections on the Internet is pretty gay, until and unless there are credible candidates for said elections. Nothing to talk about till then, 'specially for someone who's not even gonna show his face at a meeting.

Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded...

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