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#50379 - 01/27/10 01:50 AM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Dana]
yorick Offline
old hand

Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 1041
Loc: hamlet\'s hand
The landowner doesn't want the crag publicized in a guide. Case closed.
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#50384 - 01/27/10 02:19 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Dana]
Smike Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 3143
Loc: in your backyard
Originally Posted By: Dana
but to describe the tone of her posts. She was pointing out that she has been trying to keep the discussion civil. And I think she has.


Have a read at some of the good stuff then over here: I'll let you make your own judgment.

http://www.mountainproject.com/v/eastern_states/lost_city/106654501

They deleted the other thread.

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#50386 - 01/27/10 04:13 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Dana]
Julie Offline
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Registered: 01/16/00
Posts: 2090
Loc: SoCal
Smike, I think you missed out on the stuff last week. In short: based on previous discussions and discussions in the Admin forum, the site owners of MP decided that a decent compromise would be to post the site, a description that includes the history and the debate, and allow photos, but not routes, to be posted.

The threads now on MP are not a "can we? should we?" investigation, as you say, because a) the decision had already been made, and b) no one in their right mind expects agreement on this issue.

In terms of possible conflicts between my personal feelings and my actions as an Admin: I wrote about those extensively in the thread. I followed the compromise that had been made, instead of doing what I think should be done (for instance, I could have, but did not, lift Jim's pictures to post).

I do appreciate that you're trying not to be too personal. Dana is right-on in that, despite quite a disgusting pigpile, I've *tried* to keep things civil, which is what I meant by taking the higher road on MP. It's interesting to note that people who know me are civil, and those who don't pile it on. It seems like you're just catching up to speed on this latest iteration, so I understand where that got mixed up.

I decided not to call Hank for "clarification" for several reasons, but (long paragraph erased) it's moot now, and I'm tired. Next time.

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Smike, Dana, Rob: I need some input on P38 as an admin. The person who posted the route in the first place noted it as PG-13. In cases where I'm qualified (eg, Outsiders), I've removed the PG-13 notation because it appears on the long list and might put off someone who would otherwise be interested. I would like some input from 5.10 leaders on this; I'm inclined to remove the PG-13 and just add "the 5.10 is well protected; the 5.8 above is difficult to protect very well". Please let me know, here or on MP, what you think.

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#50387 - 01/27/10 04:22 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Julie]
Mike Rawdon Offline

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Registered: 11/29/99
Posts: 4276
Loc: Poughkeepsie
The cruxy bits of P38 are quite well protected IMO.

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#50388 - 01/27/10 04:45 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Mike Rawdon]
Smike Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 3143
Loc: in your backyard
I did read all the threads (even the deleted ones) I still stand behind my knee jerk reaction,(as it appears it was) but appreciate your clarification as to what you were getting at.

Were all guilty of mud slinging (including you) It's clear where you stand on the issue. It might help in the future to attack it coming from a neutral position taking in all sides. (just my .02)

Ok winters half time show is now over, back to Part 2 of the real climbing season.

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#50389 - 01/27/10 04:54 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Smike]
chip Offline
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Registered: 10/06/01
Posts: 2676
Loc: Sittin' Pretty in Fat City
Thanks Smike.

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#50390 - 01/27/10 04:58 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: chip]
Julie Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 01/16/00
Posts: 2090
Loc: SoCal
Thanks, Mike R - so what do you think should happen (or not) in terms of the route listing? Should P-38 appear on the left-hand list of Trapps routes as "PG-13"?

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#50393 - 01/27/10 08:45 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Julie]
Mike Rawdon Offline

Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 11/29/99
Posts: 4276
Loc: Poughkeepsie
I'm OK with PG.

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#50394 - 01/27/10 09:02 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Mike Rawdon]
Julie Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 01/16/00
Posts: 2090
Loc: SoCal
That's the rub! It's nothing at all, or PG-13, no options for PG. I'd lean more towards the nothing, then letting the route description tell the story.

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#50396 - 01/27/10 10:12 PM Re: Should Lost City routes be added to rc.com? [Re: Julie]
TrappDyke Offline
journeyman

Registered: 06/10/09
Posts: 80
How about 5.10b/c G (5.8 pg-r/pg13) * ** ***

* possibly 5.10c/d in the rain
** possibly 5.10a if your over 6'8"
*** possibly 5.10b/c R if you only use nuts

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