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#45463 - 06/09/09 12:57 PM MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT
Jgreene Offline
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Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 171
1980- 30,000 visitors/year

2009- 150,000 visitors/year

Saving the land for life....

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#45464 - 06/09/09 01:04 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: Jgreene]
Kevin Offline
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Registered: 11/17/99
Posts: 201
While the innuendo is that the Preserve is doing more damage by having more people use the land is pretty off point; considering the education and programs are in place now that were not there 30 years ago, and disengenious.

How many more climbers are there that are impacting the land? We all see that regurarly. Jgreene, as someone that supports opening more land for climbing in the ridge, your idea could increase climbers even more and cause more enviromental damage.

I think your red herring comment about numbers and the innuendo, well... frankly stinks.

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#45466 - 06/09/09 01:11 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: Kevin]
Jgreene Offline
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Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 171
How many more climbers are there that are impacting the land? Climbers are visitors and clearly have a neg. impact on the land. I never said I supported opening more land. The Cereus Way thread that you are talking about refers to Paul Fribergs Hipocrisy.

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#45468 - 06/09/09 01:26 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: Jgreene]
Jgreene Offline
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1980- The preserve employs an administrator, a secretary, a senior ranger, several senior rangers, a part time research assistant, and a part time maintenance worker.

8 employees, no PR people, corpo types, etc

2009- 7 people in the public relations dept. 5 people in the executive admin.
etc...


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#45469 - 06/09/09 01:29 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: Jgreene]
RangerRob Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/06/00
Posts: 3765
Loc: Ulster County, NY
So you admit that this thread is just an extension of your obsession with someones private property. I love the fact that you have no qualms about using peoples real names and jobs and ad then slandering them, yet you yourself hide behind some lame ass internet tag. C'mon dude.

RR

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#45471 - 06/09/09 01:40 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: RangerRob]
Jgreene Offline
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Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 171
RR,

Do yer research man. Actually Paul Friberg used his name in the Cereus Way thread.

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#45472 - 06/09/09 01:43 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: Jgreene]
Dillbag Offline
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Registered: 05/02/06
Posts: 1130
Loc: "The Town"
Not really all that bad...
considering the NY metro area has a population estimated for 2007 to be 18,815,988 (which is roughly 1 in 16 Americans).
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#45473 - 06/09/09 01:47 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: Dillbag]
Jgreene Offline
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Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 171
Dill,

True but the rise in visitor numbers is still profound, and at what point is there overcrowding. Maybe limiting the amount of visitors like minnewaska does would be beneficial.

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#45474 - 06/09/09 01:54 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: Jgreene]
keith Offline
journeyman

Registered: 03/26/09
Posts: 70
Loc: The beach
The rise in climbings popularity is not the preserves fault.

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#45475 - 06/09/09 01:59 PM Re: MOHONK VISITOR IMPACT [Re: Jgreene]
Dillbag Offline
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Registered: 05/02/06
Posts: 1130
Loc: "The Town"
JG,

Minnewaska only limits the number of climbers per day, it does nothing to limit the total number of visitors...

Do you know what breakdown in the numbers are from the 1980 and 2009 (not sure how you got that one already) as far as climbers vs hikers/bikers?
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