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#46999 - 07/24/09 11:28 AM Bats!
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Anyone else been seeing more bats around the New Paltz/Rosendale area? Still not what it used to be but at least I'm seeing a few more this year.

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#47067 - 07/26/09 08:15 PM Re: Bats! [Re: Jgreene]
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Wet summer = more mosquitoes for the bats to eat??

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#47069 - 07/26/09 09:27 PM Re: Bats! [Re: Mike Rawdon]
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Yeah obviosly, but with a large bat population dying out it just means more mosquitos. I was asking if anyone had noticed an incease in bats this year compared to previous years.

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#47084 - 07/27/09 09:27 AM Re: Bats! [Re: Jgreene]
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Originally Posted By: Jgreene
Anyone else been seeing more bats around the New Paltz/Rosendale area? Still not what it used to be but at least I'm seeing a few more this year.


A few more than when?

Rosendale saw a massive die-off in its hibernaculums in the winter of '08. Bats flying around during the day, flopping dead on streets and sidewalks, littering the grounds outside the mines. A dozen starved in our eaves. It was Biblical.

Little browns and Indiana bats remaining this winter didn't make it into spring (they're seeing die-offs in hibernaculums of 90-100%). Some appeared in late December. We watched them working thermals on warmer days over the Rondout in March, then it just stopped. Now, you see a stray one from time-to-time, probably other species that aren't being hit as hard.

I was showing RR last week how you used to be able to watch the shift-change along the canal footpath next to the creek in town at dusk, when the swallows gave way to bats. Not any more.
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#47085 - 07/27/09 10:04 AM Re: Bats! [Re: yorick]
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Isn't this due to some fungal disease going around?
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#47086 - 07/27/09 10:39 AM Re: Bats! [Re: oenophore]
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WNS is getting the brunt of the blame, but there are other immuno-suppression things going on.

Bats are coming out of wintering torpor states sooner and more frequently, possibly to groom themselves of the WNS fungus, which burns fat reserves. When their reserves are gone, they begin hunting: that's death in winter.

But they're also finding some bats going into hibernation in poor shape, and infected carcasses harvested in Rosendale have been found lacking certain enzymes in their digestive systems, making them unable to properly digest insects. They're not sure yet if this is caused by some background pesticide or chemical in the environment.

Here's the most comprehensive overview I've been able to find:

http://www.caves.org/WNS/WNS2009research.pdf
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#47090 - 07/27/09 12:29 PM Re: Bats! [Re: yorick]
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That being said we did see two bats in our yard Saturday evening. But that doesn't count because we're in Kerhonkson, not New Paltz/Rosendale. Everyone knows the really cool bats live in Rosendale and New Paltz. The ones over here are missing a few teeth and have these really little mullets.

RR

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#47092 - 07/27/09 12:51 PM Re: Bats! [Re: RangerRob]
Mike Rawdon Offline

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Originally Posted By: RangerRob
That being said we did see two bats in our yard Saturday evening. But that doesn't count because we're in Kerhonkson, not New Paltz/Rosendale. Everyone knows the really cool bats live in Rosendale and New Paltz. The ones over here are missing a few teeth and have these really little mullets.

RR


This is hysterical.

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#47099 - 07/27/09 02:50 PM Re: Bats! [Re: RangerRob]
yorick Offline
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Originally Posted By: RangerRob
The ones over here are missing a few teeth and have these really little mullets.


Like RR in high school. You can take Brooklyn out of the Headbanger, but...rest assured, Kerkonkson found him.
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#47100 - 07/27/09 03:16 PM Re: Bats! [Re: yorick]
Mike Rawdon Offline

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Originally Posted By: yorick
Originally Posted By: RangerRob
The ones over here are missing a few teeth and have these really little mullets.


Like RR in high school. You can take Brooklyn out of the Headbanger, but...rest assured, Kerkonkson found him.


I see you subscribe to the George W. Bush school of mangled cliches.

Or does RR still reside in Brooklyn?

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#47102 - 07/27/09 03:34 PM Re: Bats! [Re: Mike Rawdon]
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The turn was deliberate.

Step a little out of the box, Mike.
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#47105 - 07/27/09 04:52 PM Re: Bats! [Re: yorick]
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Ah, as usual you're just too literary for me...

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#47118 - 07/27/09 11:43 PM Re: Bats! [Re: Mike Rawdon]
yorick Offline
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Or obfuscating.
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#47120 - 07/28/09 01:54 AM Re: Bats! [Re: yorick]
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Yesterday Dick pulled up a rock for trailwork(by No Picnic) and there was a bat under it! Not sure if they might have nicked it or something, for the little guy was acting stunned and moving very slowly for a bit.

A chance to get the closest look EVER, for me, of a bat. Pretty cool....

He had his wings spread open, and looked up at us with his mouth wide open so I could see his teeth. Then he started to amble off, tried to fly a little but was almost like a baby bird, hopping but not able to take off. I hope it was just that we woke him up and he was out of it because of that.

Then he made it over to another rock/cavernish space. But the poor thing was unstable and tipped over onto his back. Dick took a stick and helped him right himself, but I was too squeamish to look, and went back to work. Sp don't know any more about what happened with the bat.

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#47136 - 07/28/09 05:12 PM Re: Bats! [Re: TerrieM]
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Interestingly, bats are quite affected by wind turbines. Are there any close to NP?

Seems we're just getting around to measuring #s of bats killed by wind turbines, and thinking about ways to reduce them. Shouldn't be an impossible problem to solve ...

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/18/study-finds-reduction-in-turbine-bat-kills/

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#47148 - 07/29/09 02:52 AM Re: Bats! [Re: Julie]
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By comparison, about 50 million birds die each year in collisions with communications towers, 80 million are killed by cars, and 3.5 million strike windows, says Dale Strickland, president and chief executive officer for Western Ecosystems Technology, Inc., a consulting company in Cheyenne, Wyoming.

No pulse is not a great place for wind turbines due to the turbulence created by the cliffs and such. Pretty much tears the turbine apart.

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#47292 - 08/03/09 01:04 AM Re: Bats! [Re: Jgreene]
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Saw a bat flying around our house in Kerhonkson, and RR is right, they do have mullets. Hard to see but the sleeveless Metallica shirt was a dead give away. Definatly a native to the area.

Left the back lights on to draw a few more moths in so it could have a big dinner.
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