Does that mean we can plant trees?

It's something of an epithet once hurled at Ped by Alice here on gunks.com.

Solipsistic

"extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption."

You're going to cut down some live trees and bushes for your own little route? People have been run out of the Gunks for less. One got iced by his psychotic GF out west. Not that altering the rock here and there for his own glory had anything to do with that.

Sigh ... so much for the spirit of adventure!

Marc, I'm an academic, I'm licensed to think for the greater good ;-). Seriously, though, I would be tickled pink if it turned out to be good and other people had one more line to enjoy.

My intent is to climb it, disturbing as little as possible, and see if it's worthwhile, and exactly how much disturbing is necessary. I never said I'd be altering the rock itself, so you can hold off the threats of ice axes already!

I'm pretty sure you crawling out of bed each day, then mistakenly pissing on your leg, proceeded by walking over to the keyboard only to retaliate by pissing on all us selfish little selves in here, is in and of itself down right selfish, but what do I know...

Julie, why not just ask Hank what extent of alteration is permitted, or not permitted, in his or management's interpretation of Preserve rules?

If push comes to shove, I certainly will. I asked here because I wanted to sample the climbing community's consensus.

It seems like you're saying that if there is a clear consensus in the climbing community, one which is at odds with the landowner's rules for use of their land, then you're going to, or at least you might, go against what the landowner, in this case the Mohonk Preserve, allows on their land.

The point Ranger Rob made is that what cleansing is, and is not, allowed is not up to the climbing community but rather the landowner.

Do you disagree with Rob?

The full quote as uttered by Alice was, I believe: "wanted, more solipsistic climbers. Contact: GCC."

Thanks for confusing me with Kent, Bill, I'll take it as a compliment.

Ped --- no I was not confusing you with Kent, just was not clear with my meaning. Since Kent was giving out points earlier, competitive as I am I wanted some. BTW thank you for slinging such a cultured and sophisticated epithet in my direction. I am honored, I think?!?!

Kent --- if no points for me you must give some to quanto for this

RG et al --- BTW -- What is the definition of a tree?