Are you going to pull-test the baby?

If you do, please just don't post pictures of the results on the web......

well if anyone feels like getting rid of their aliens, I will be more than glad to take them from you! I love them and still use the a ton.

I wonder what the liability potential of such an offer. You sell a potentially flawed piece of climbing gear, and if someone has an accident (because of a flaw or not) what your potential for being sued would be.

Sell? Heck I thought people were so averse to using them that they would gladly give them away for free! If anyone wants to discard their unwanted Aliens I will be at the Uberfall this Saturday by 9AM. Just look for the obvious Idiot.

RR

IANAL, but it seems to me that if the unit failed, then it's CCH's fault, not the climber who passed on the used cam. Unless the latter knows that that particular unit has a bad braze, I just don't see a liability issue there. I mean I sell my cars well-used. There are all kinds of defects in them that I'm unaware of. I don't feel I am exposing myself to any claims by doing so. But IANAL, and I understand that anyone can bring a suit at any time in this country.

True, but here is where this becomes an interesting legal issue. It can be argued that almost any climber should be well aware by now that CCH brazing is suspect and that the flaw cannot be detected until it fails. So, if you sell a cam to someone and tell them about all the CCH issues, there should be no valid claim. But if you sell them a unit and DO NOT make a disclaimer about the potential for bad brazing (and perhaps the other issues), I bet a good lawyer would find a sympathetic jury pool. I would think the onus would be on you to prove you did not know about the issue.

OTOH, I still run into climber's who have no idea about the manufacturing and QA/QC issues with CCH.

TS

I'm curious about R&S's policy about selling aliens. If I walk into R&S and say I'm new and buying a green alien as my first cam what do they do?

I expect they would say "OK" and accept your payment.

I think the better question would be what happens when you say "I'm a beginner and starting my rack. Which cams should I get?".