Suggest you get a yellow and red aliens as well?

Reply: These, took a great big machine to break em out back!

if your asking what a cam does, should you really be buying any cam let alone an alien?


And I promise if I die I wont sue you for selling or giving me an alien

The problem in idiotic lawsuits is never the climber that dies, but his or her misguided parents and relatives.

well you don't have to worry about parents suing...... and my gf doesnt know what they are or do, she thinks you use them as hand holds.....

But I see your point.

I'm on board with Timbo.... Could you imagine a lawyer in a court of law,. "And why were you selling the aliens when they were known to have a defect among a percentage of units" and would the response from the climber be "because I didn't trust it any more..." .....

"Wrong answer"

As for Rock and Snow selling them the liability becomes moot since the CCH hangtag somewhere will have a disclaimer of...climbing is dangerous and the user does so at their own risk.... and Rock and Snow somewhere probably has posted on their property something along the same lines

Disclaimer means nothing if you can prove the company was negligent in manufacturing, QA/QC, etc.

In the case of CCH, that would actually be relatively easy, but perhaps moot in another way now that the owner is deceased, depending on assets left, how they were divided, incorporation type for CCH, etc.

I would think Rich has consulted a legal opinion and has obviously decided he has no or limited liability, but even if you doubt Aric's tests (I don't, BTW) no way would I be selling Aliens given the history if I owned a shop (because there is no way a shop owner could deny NOT knowing about the well published failures [note the plural]).

TS

Do you really think it would be an idiotic lawsuit? CCH has shit quality control on products to which people entrust their lives. The failures have been going on for years now, they're on notice and haven't addressed the problems.

A PI lawyer would take that case in a heartbeat. Of course, comparative negligence of the climber is an issue if he put too much trust in one piece.

The more interesting legal issue is that, given the widespread knowledge that aliens are untrustworthy, CCH might have an assumption of risk defense. LOL.

Reread the pertinent posts carefully. We're not talking about suing CCH.

I tried to google CCH to find their website and cannot find one??? Do they have one, did they go out of busiess??? It seems their domain expired a month ago.