No doubt why Sharma sent V15 and visits several times a year, or why the Gunks produced Obie, Vadim and Ivan, or why Carrigan, Edlinger, Gullich, Moffat and Sheppard made annual trips.

Fritz and Hans, the Vulgarians, Stannard, Bragg, Wunsch and Barber were pussies.

Hugh Herr, especially. What a girly-man.

And Franklin, he was a 5' 4" race-walker for Christ's sake. Couldn't solo Survival without being baked.

Yeah, the place sucks. A backwater. Don't waste your time.

Why we've all taken up bowling, Lebowski.

Xpoint? WTF is an Xpoint?

Absolutely, Brian and Vadim are cool peeps. You however, sound like their belay bitch and need to shut your mouth. Actually you had a great idea with removing all the bolts and fixed gear. I think you'd be too lazy to walk off anyway, and would probably get lost if you tried. Also, if you think aiding on totally fixed gear and aiding on your own gear is the same thing, well then you probably don't know much about climbing anyway.

No one is going up to Spinal Traction and ripping Brians gear off you turd. It's a freaking chat forum. We all talk big and do nothing, just like you. Come down off your high horrse and join us for a beer.

I like how you say if the key flake breaks off no one will free it..EVER! Just like El Cap could never be freed. Small brains have no vision. They are lemmings who believe precisely what they are told.

Cheers Dude, and welcome to the sewer!!

Yo Dude. If you took all the fixed anchors away we wouldn't be able to enjoy the walk in the beautiful forest by ourselves. Keep that thought to yourself, please.

I love the accidental X point bit. "Oops, sorry, didn't mean to send it."

Imagine if Russ and Jordan took Lebowski's Spinal Traction attitude on Twilight Zone. "Now, please, stop aiding this route as you've done for thirty years so we elite can deign to free it."

What Lebowski neglected to mention in his studied tutorial is that the offending tactics began on Vandals - hence the name. That hay-seed Gruenberg could have been so cutting-edge bolting and dogging his death-routes years before Vandals. What was he thinking?

And the shocking thing, the really shameful thing is that punters like Gruenberg, and those Aussie hooligans Shepherd and Weigand, had the audacity to tie-in with...wait for it...those wretched weekenders and gumbies, sharing a rope, plying us with beers and bones at Slime, carrying on about impact and legacies, about this specious movement called leave no trace. Thank God gurus like Griffith arrived to spirit young Gunkies away, to lead them to the promised lands of Rifle and Smith.

Perhaps the mighty Lebowski would care to dust off a few of these X-rated mothballs awaiting second ascents, and flash them, just to remind us gumbies about the math.

i thought supercrack was first dogged up.

Seiged, but Wunsch was fastidious about never hanging on the gear and pulling the rope after each try.

are you sure about pulling the rope. Need someone to confirm. I know Romano was in the area when it went free.

also dude you talk about legands in projecting. You left out Romano he doesn't project he sends and if he needed to, Rich would rip off your arms while you belay him and use your arms as pro for the onsight.

... and if he needed to, Rich would rip off your arms while you belay him and use your arms as pro for the onsight. [/quote]

While yelling "ACTION!!!!" First time I heard him do that it scared the crap out of me on an adjacent climb.

Well, there's the vernacular legend and Bein's account, any number of written sources (Dick has always been exacting about details, especially for such a watershed route), and Steve himself.