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#52416 - 06/02/10 03:51 PM
Minnewaska Master Plan
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enthusiast
Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 213
Loc: Western Slope
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Just got this in the email. From a quick glance, the plan shows a campground (yaay!) and the climbing area to be extended to Dickie Barre (only  ) and no ice climbing. In the light of current budget woes, it sounds like a small great victory, thoughts? June 02, 2010
To Persons interested in Minnewaska State Park Preserve:
The Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation (OPRHP) is pleased to announce the findings and adoption of the Final Master Plan and Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS) for Minnewaska State Park Preserve. The plan can be viewed at the following locations;
* MinnewaskaState Park Preserve - Park Office * Palisades Regional Office - Bear Mountain * Ellenville Public Library - Ellenville * Elting Memorial Library - New Paltz * OPRHP webpage - http://www.nysparks.state.ny.us/inside-our-agency/public-documents.aspx
The consideration period ends June 11, 2010.
Please feel free to contact myself or Mark Hohengasser at (518) 486-2909 should you have any questions or need further information.
Sincerely,
Thomas B. Lyons Director, Resource Management
NYS Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation AgencyBuilding One EmpireStatePlaza Albany, NY12238
P Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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#52419 - 06/02/10 05:01 PM
Re: Minnewaska Master Plan
[Re: Welle]
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enthusiast
Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 395
Loc: Gunks in Summer, Southwest in ...
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I just took a look(at c/site drawing). Looks like not so many walk-in tent sites.... Wonder what the fee differential between Walk-In and Park Next to sites will be.
While the campsite plan "looks nice," I can't help but be very sad about the advent of the End of Free Camping at the Gunks. Of course, considering the budget woes, I will add that just because the Master Plan has been issued doesn't mean that there is money to pay for the changes it says will be implemented.
I find it difficult to believe that c/g will come into being any time soon if any monetary support whatsoever is to be required from the state. With teacher's jobs being cut it seems outrageous to me to go forward with a campground, especially when the MUA is still in existence right next door to the site.
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#52432 - 06/02/10 09:49 PM
Re: Minnewaska Master Plan
[Re: Welle]
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member
Registered: 07/19/00
Posts: 114
Loc: Carversville, PA
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Climbing isn't getting a huge bonus, but the rock access door is slight ajar. Dickie Barre [option 2] is not a bad addition. It's the addition of the 'option 3' stuff that gets me excited. Too bad 'option 4' wasn't the preferred choice.
What I cannot believe is the OK'd single track mountain biking trails around Lake Awosting. That's going to have a far greater impact on the environment than opening up the miles of cliffs to climbers. I love single track mountain biking. But some of these hardcore clowns will begin building ramps, jumps and off-piste trails. Just wait until the rangers come upon the free riding trails that were not authorized. Can anyone say 'banned'?
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#52446 - 06/03/10 03:31 AM
Re: Minnewaska Master Plan
[Re: Mike Rawdon]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 10/06/01
Posts: 2657
Loc: Sittin' Pretty in Fat City
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The public meetings were merely to make the public think there was actually a chance that PIPC cared what we want.
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#52454 - 06/03/10 03:25 PM
Re: Minnewaska Master Plan
[Re: Welle]
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journeyman
Registered: 10/18/02
Posts: 50
Loc: NY, NY
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A good friend of mine who does not post on this forum wrote the following letter after receiving an e-mail about Minnewaska Master Plan. With his permission, I am posting his letter to Tom Lyons, Director, Resource Management OPRHP Dear Tom Lyons,
I just read the final master plan for Minnewaska state park. With the great regret (and no surprise) I see that rock climbing is still prohibited in Minnewaska state park (with exception of a small area at Peterskill). Some vague words about "identifying areas suitable for rock climbing" present in the plan, change nothing. For dozens of years, Minnewaska state park authorities have been ignoring numerous requests of rock climbers. We live here, we vote, we pay taxes. In fact, your salary comes out of my state tax. Still you ignore me and thousands of other climbers. At the same time, a private non-profit foundation - Mohonk - has been successfully running a huge rock climbing area without any legal or environmental problems. Unlike Minnewaska state park, they are not subsidized out of state budget but they care about us. You don't.
And it's not state vs private land issues. State authorities operating Catskills and Adirondacks areas have no problems with rock climbing. However, OPRHP parks instituted the biggest ban on rock climbing in United States. For years we fought you but we could do nothing against you.
Who are you, Tom Lyons? What do you do? How do you work? How do you think? How can you ignore us, people who pay your bills? You bought your car with my taxes, you bought your house with my taxes. Every day you buy food with money that comes out of my pocket. Your generous pension will be funded out of my taxes. And yet I do not exist in your eyes. How can you justify ignoring me and ignoring tens of thousands of other New York state residents and tax payers.
You thrive on banning things, Tom Lyons. You banned rock climbing (outside of Peterskill). You banned ice climbing. You severely regulate swimming. You don't even allow hikers to step off a three meter wide road (when they walk next to Minnewaska lake). And all your regulations are carefully upholded by an army of rangers, paid out of my pocket.
Tom Lyons, you complain about Minnewaska state park's budgetary issues and yet you hire numerous rangers to enforce all the regulations, build more buildings, more parking lots and more roads in the park - clearly it's necessary to protect the environment and save money. I was intelligent enough to obtain a PhD degree from MIT in chemistry. I am not intelligent enough to understand the logic behind your actions.
Martin Luther King had a big soul and he had a big dream. Unlike him, I have a small soul and I have a small dream. I just wish to be able to climb and swim and hike and camp. I wish my taxes supported the Mohonk foundation and not Minnewaska state park.
Regards,
Boris Itin, Ph.D.
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#52456 - 06/03/10 03:56 PM
Re: Minnewaska Master Plan
[Re: mtselman]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 10/06/01
Posts: 2657
Loc: Sittin' Pretty in Fat City
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Strong stuff, there, and I don't disagree with any of it. Unfortunately, I doubt that Tom Lyons has all the say in this matter but I expect that the message was clearly understood. True change about the policies and practices of PIPC will only occur when there is adequate pressure from the state governments of NY and NJ.
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#52466 - 06/03/10 06:08 PM
Re: Minnewaska Master Plan
[Re: chip]
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addict
Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 588
Loc: NYC
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I don't know if Tom Lyons is in control of all this or not, but does the letter writer really think accusing him of not caring about the taxpayers is going to help the situation? Does anyone actually think he doesn't care about the taxpayers? Isn't it more likely that he just has a different vision of his duty to the taxpayers than we might wish he had?
The invocation of Dr. King is also a bit ridiculous.
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