Maybe I am an idiot, or maybe I am a sucky route finder. But, I cannot find the 5.4 way to move off the big ledge on Belly Roll. (THe ledge that has the nice horizonatal before you go up into a "chimney type feature" with a tree growing in it, P1) I have lead a few Gunks 5.9s and that move off the Belly Roll ledge still scares me. What the heck am I missing? (I am short...does this factor into why I am so lame on this move?)

if you're talking the first big ledge...low down...and you're in a small left facing corner/dihedral.....then part layback, part jugs...if you want to feel really secure you can even squeeze out a hand jam...no problem at 5.4...its only one move....i dont know how short you are....but i'm not exactly tall....and i dont think height would really be an issue for the move....

if you're talking the upper 'ledge' before the beautiful white face with horizontal buckets galore....then you weave a little left and right...but generally follow the rotten old rusted pitons...

You are not missing anything. The move off the ledge is the crux for me. I am 5'. And yes, height is an issue for that move.

It's reachy: one insecure move off the ledge and you're back to 5.4.

Ok, I have been doing this climb for years and I have always felt that move was insecure. I have been trying new ways to pull it and no matter what I try, it's still 1 insecure move to the jugs.

the problem is probably that you have too much gear on...solo the route and it'll feel a lot easier

Actually, I did it again today and it felt really easy. I think I was moving too far right.

nice job

always been one of my favorites...

Don't listen to him Gail! Keep the gear.

Good to hear you're enjoying youself.

i'm just sayin....if you ever thought the belly roll move was a little awkward....you ought to try it without the rack, harness and rope sometime...much more comfortable