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#54508 - 09/03/10 01:29 AM Digital Camera for climbing
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We lost our digital camera on vacation, so we're in the market for a replacement. Any recommendations for a digital camera suitable for climbing and skiing photos, with the following criteria:
- Affordable, < $300
- Durable /rugged
- No or minimal shutter delay
- Sharp photos
Appreciate any suggestions.
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#54518 - 09/03/10 11:28 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: Adk_Jeff]
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Canon powershot is a great option.
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#54519 - 09/03/10 11:41 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: Adk_Jeff]
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Check out this website.
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#54520 - 09/03/10 11:44 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: Advocacy group]
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Jeff,
Be very careful of Canon Powershots. We've had three. All suffered the same fate. Only one was still under warantee. The plastic gears responsible for lens movement often wear out prematurely, or get misaligned. After googling the problem, we found that this was way too common to ever justify the purchase again. While fine cameras in every other regard, the "lens error" isn't worth the trouble or the risk of not getting your shot. I do like my Canon G10, however, it is costlier, bigger, and only goes down to F8. Look to new and improved G11. Olympus Stylus Tough series of cameras are worth looking at with waterproof, and shockproof features that may prove just the thing. Some of the models are within your suggested price range. Good luck, RC

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#54527 - 09/03/10 02:42 PM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: Rickster]
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While just above your stated price range, I've really enjoyed a Sony Cybershot for 6-7 years. It is very slim and easy to move in and out of a pocket and then operate one handed while belaying. Unfortunately, I recently mis-placed it and might need to get another.

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#54529 - 09/03/10 03:01 PM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: Adk_Jeff]
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Read this article first, then maybe look at the other stuff on his site.
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#54530 - 09/03/10 03:31 PM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: MarcC]
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Originally Posted By: MarcC
Read this article first, then maybe look at the other stuff on his site.
Wow! The author of this page is highly opinionated and seems to pull no punches. Not to say he's wrong about anything, but this is quite some writing style. I'd bet there are those who'd dispute him however.
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#54531 - 09/03/10 04:23 PM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: Rickster]
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Originally Posted By: Rickster
I do like my Canon G10, however, it ... only goes down to F8


This is not actually a big deal. The problem with point and shoot digital cameras is the lens is so small, the sensor is so small... at that sensor size, if the lens stopped down further, it would introduce diffraction effects that would be detrimental to picture quality. You can already start to notice this when taking shots at f8.

Moreover, I've found that the midrange Powershot models (we have an SX20, which is maybe overkill for our usage) have more than enough dynamic range to handle VERY bright light... tested and confirmed on plenty of snowfields: http://picasaweb.google.com/sharkface7/Apr24MTW#

If you want to stop down further, the only reason I can think of is you're trying to take photos of waterfalls in daylight... for that, you really need an ND filter anyway. I think the G11 has one built in but it's often possible to slap one on the front (various models have aftermarket filter adapters available, too)

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#54533 - 09/03/10 05:30 PM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: pedestrian]
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It's the depth of field that I miss limited to F8, but it's manageable. F8 just doesn't cut it when up close to subject matter and trying to bring in some reference background or foreground, or even the entire subject into sharp or even acceptable focus. When I really must have it I'll go with my D80. RC

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#54543 - 09/04/10 09:48 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: oenophore]
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Originally Posted By: oenophore
Originally Posted By: MarcC
Read this article first, then maybe look at the other stuff on his site.
Wow! The author of this page is highly opinionated and seems to pull no punches. Not to say he's wrong about anything, but this is quite some writing style. I'd bet there are those who'd dispute him however.


LoL... yeah, go to google and type

Ken Rockwell is

and check out the suggestions (meaning don't hit enter, just wait and google will pop up what other people have searched for)
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#54546 - 09/04/10 11:46 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: oenophore]
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[quote=Wow! The author of this page is highly opinionated and seems to pull no punches. Not to say he's wrong about anything, but this is quite some writing style. I'd bet there are those who'd dispute him however. [/quote]

Agreed, he would fit in just fine here at Gunks.com.

The google brought a welcomed laugh.

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#54547 - 09/04/10 11:51 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: quanto_the_mad]
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I have used a Canon Powershot 520 and sometimes 540. I'm happy enough with them 95% of the time. I'm thinking my next P&S will have to have image stabilization (IS). Is there any compromise in IS that I should be aware of?

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#54549 - 09/04/10 02:19 PM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: Mike Rawdon]
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Lots of information here to consider, thanks for all the input.
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#54556 - 09/05/10 01:59 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: Adk_Jeff]
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The only trouble with Rick's comment about the Canon Powershots, according to the repairman who fixed my daughter's, is that the lens assembly is made by a third-party manufacturer and is found in many point-and-shoot models by various manufacturers. I know there's a whole web page of angry Powershot owners, but at least my repair guy thinks the problem isn't at all unique to Powershots.

We've had three Powershots. I had one that worked for about five years and then the LCD display died. I consider that an acceptable lifetime for a camera used outdoors and subject to some abuse. My daughter's developed the dreaded "lens error" condition, but the repair guy found broken parts inside, suggesting that someone (who could that be?) tried to force the lens into position. The third Powershot is still functioning after two years.

Repair guy emphasized that those mechanisms are fairly delicate. Dropping the camera, even in a padded case, could screw them up. A grain of sand will too. When he gave me back the camera, he air-blasted out the little case I had to make sure there was nothing in there that could get into the lens mechanism.

The "rugged" cameras are better in this regard because they don't have a lens that retracts and extends. In addition to providing some resistance to water, they might also be a good call for the desert. But the image quality isn't quite as good as other point and shoots, according to the reviews.

I keep my Powershot in one of these



from http://www.betashell.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=35

Cost about the same as cleaning out a jammed lens mechanism if there are no broken parts and it doesn't have to be replaced. Seems expensive, but worth it (I hope) if you end up using it for more than one camera. I have mine with the "rail attach" option that lets you thread a webbing belt through it and wear it, rather like a chalk bag, so the camera can be spun behind or to either side to keep it out of the way of climbing moves. You can open the case and remove the camera one-handed with ease.

I carried my point and shoot on climbs quite successfully in an ordinary soft case. The thing I like the best about this hard case is that you can toss it in your pack and not worry at all about it getting squashed or banged against something.

Added in edit: My current Powershot is the SD 880 IS.

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#54560 - 09/05/10 03:38 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: rg@ofmc]
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Rich,

That looks like a great piece of gear, adding it to the x-mas list. Thanks.

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#54561 - 09/05/10 04:04 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: rg@ofmc]
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My family has been buying Canon SD cameras for years, we've probably had 15 Powershot SD cameras over the years. Only one suffered an actual problem, I ordered spare parts from canon's repair facility four couple of bucks and fixed it myself. Most have been retired, a few upgraded through Canon's exchange program.

However, our newest P&S is a Panasonic Limux TS2. Thought about going with another Canon, but figured we'd give the waterproof/shockproof a try. Seemed a little more rugged than the Olympus and Pentax models.

I've got a DSLR and now an iPhone, so my P&S tends to stay at home.

I use an Accucase hard case, worked well enough for my P&S in the climbing pack.
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#54572 - 09/07/10 07:37 AM Re: Digital Camera for climbing [Re: quanto_the_mad]
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On the waterproof/shockproof bandwagon, I've been happy with my current Pentax Optio W80.

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