folks,

landowner for cranberry ledges is asking questions about opening the site for climbing access.

questions present.

1. would folks be willing to pay a yearly fee for access.

2. if so what would one pay for such pass on private land.

3. 10 a year

4. 15 a year

5. 20 a year

6. 25 a year

7. other

money would offset the land owners liability costs and such.

a small building would be placed on site and a cafe, bath rooms and such would be established, a place to camp would also be placed on the 60 acre site. remeber this is private land.

looking for any and all comments on this issue.

john anderson

ps: spread the word on this, also contact thomson ling Access Fund coordinator for further information. this access iussue sis 25 plus years in the making.

wow, this could be cool. this sounds more promising than the last rumor i heard about cranberry: that the land would be donated to the state park when the current land owner dies...

i guess i'd have no problem paying 10 bucks a year to help cover insurance.

bathrooms will be needed, people are already crapping all over allamuchy.

i dont really think a cafe or campground is needed...having never climbed there and only looking at it from afar, it doesnt seem like the kind of place that would need either of these amenities.

mini-guide is available for review in pdf format. send request to

ingvarja@verizon.net

Where is Cranberry Ledges? I definitely don't mind paying $10-$20 a year for climbing.

cranberry ledges is located in central NJ, east of allamuchy and north of the rt 80 and rt. 206 highway junction. the site is private property w/ a climbing hx that can be traced back to the 1950's. the last full out climbing and access onsite took place in the early 1970's. the site is pristine, very fragile ecologically and has some awesome climbing. roofs, low angle to steep faces and cracks. cliffs run from 100 to 135 feet high w/ bouldering areas found on site. again this is private property and the general feeling among local climbers is access might be feasible providing the site remains its character and is not over-used by climbers. the land owner in question is now asking direct questions on climbing access. hence the posting. we are looking to get a feel on peoples thoughts on the site. a pdf formatted mini-guide is available. send e-mail request to ingvarja@verizon.net

at the end of all this access may not be feasible and or access may take place under stipulations. it is an unknown.

jia

Thanks for the info. I do not knowabout NJ, but in NYS the owner would have no liablility as long as there were no upgrades/changes to the property that would bring them as well as not charging any fee. Now, if the idea is to produce a money maker for the owner and that is the only reson for opening the area, that is entirely different. In that case, a yearly pass system is the way to go.

what type of rock is it? any climbable ice in the winter?

Citation? I thought that climbing was *not* one of the protected activities in the NY recreational use statutes. Has this changed?

Looked for the the NYS recreational use law, found this:

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/recreate/ny_rec.htm


and the protected activities:

a. an owner, lessee or occupant of premises, whether or not posted as provided in section 11-2111 of the environmental conservation law, owes no duty to keep the premises safe for entry or use by others for hunting, fishing, organized gleaning as defined in section seventy- one-y of the agriculture and markets law, canoeing, boating, trapping, hiking, cross-country skiing, tobogganing, sledding, speleological activities, horseback riding, bicycle riding, hand gliding, motorized vehicle operation for recreational purposes, snowmobile operation, cutting or gathering of wood for non-commercial purposes or training of dogs, or to give warning of any hazardous condition or use of or structure or activity on such premises to persons entering for such purposes;

indeed may have climbable ice in the winter. the face stays wet inside a few areas. land-owner is evaluting the best approach to possibly gig up for access. while he is protected by nj landowners liability acts he doesn't want the BS that could follow someone suing him or his estate. and for that you can't blame him. general idea at this stage is a sometype of year round access permit w/ day use permits. modeled somewhat after the gunks but less structured. again a general thought that is being discussed.