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#57037 - 04/05/11 07:17 PM Gunks as training ground for K2?
Geo-guy Offline
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I came accross this string from a regional hiking group who are planning on training for a K2 climb by doing some top rope work in the Gunks - somebody please talk some sense into them before they kill themselves.

http://www.meetup.com/hvhikers/messages/boards/thread/10652473/post/40440499/?hash=40440499#40440499

I know...I didn't think they were serious at first either...

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#57038 - 04/05/11 07:27 PM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: Geo-guy]
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Clearly a joke.
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#57039 - 04/05/11 07:42 PM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: SethG]
Welle Offline
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Registered: 11/03/08
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Loc: Western Slope
LOL, quoted for awesomeness.

Quote:
K2 EXPEDITION!
cory
Posted Apr 4, 2011 4:06 PM Unread


K2 is the second-highest mountain on Earth after Mount Everest. With a peak elevation of 8,611 metres (28,251 ft), K2 is part of the Karakoram Range, and is located on the border between the Taxkorgan Tajik Autonomous County of Xinjiang, China, and Gilgit, in Gilgit-Baltistan of Pakistan.

The plan is to start training on weekends as a group doing cardio and endurance training. We will build up to a fitness level where we can travel on a 50 degree slope with 65 pounds for 6 hours straight comfortably. This will take about a year to train for. We can also go to the gunks and the catskills and top rope some ice so we can get proficient in climbing. The plan is to become so proficient at climbing that we can do this unguided. Guided trips up K2 go for about $40,000.00 a person so unguided, we can get the cost down to a few thousand per person. The route is clearly defined, and your really paying a guide on K2 for motivation, and first aid skills and good judgment. We will all get CPR certified and basic first aid, and we all have common sense so we will be fine.

Guides are over-rated.

Dorothy
Posted Apr 4, 2011 4:11 PM Unread


Great idea Cory.. let's see if other ppl are interested and i'll post it as a trip

Pavel C
Posted Apr 4, 2011 4:32 PM Unread


Great idea Cory.. let's see if other ppl are interested and i'll post it as a trip


This is an excellent idea, although, personally, I would much rather shoot for Annapurna.

Dave
Posted Apr 5, 2011 10:51 AM Unread


Count me in!

My son took NOLS wilderness 1st Responder and my wife is a NYS EMT. They both say courses and certifications are over-rated too. I have all the course materials and tests, so we should be good with that after some review and brush up. In the meantime I'm working qualifications to take the AMGA Ski Guide cert. That pretty much covers most of the skills needed.

I've heard the guiding services make BANK ripping people off with all the acclimatization baloney. I've got an MD pal who will gladly us up with Diamox. He uses it for 1 day heli skiing trips going from sea level to 14k, works great. That will help minimize money-wasting acclimatization time.

Dorothy
Posted Apr 5, 2011 11:13 AM Unread


These are some great ideas folks.. keep em coming.

I will schedule Mt. Washington 5x times in -50, in preparation for K2 sometime in the winter

Andre
Posted Apr 5, 2011 1:37 PM Unread


Great idea!

Was anyone else at the Intro to Avalanche safety class? The speaker was pushing AIARE I, II, and III classes, but really beacons and some common sense are enough.


cory
Posted Apr 5, 2011 1:38 PM Unread


The hardest route I have done is breakneck in the winter, but it shouldn''t be any harder. Just more of it. Its like Breakneck but longer, and in a different continent.

I don't think we need to do Mt. Washington 5x in the winter, we probably only need to do it once. I think there is a trail called Lions hat or something that would be similar to what we would do on K2.

Dorothy
Posted Apr 5, 2011 2:24 PM Unread


They have a good segment on how to use dex in "Vertical Limit"

jola
Posted Apr 5, 2011 3:23 PM Unread


You guys must be joking. Have any of you ever climbed anything higher than Mt Washington or Mt Rainier? You want to do unguided climb of K2, the most dangerous mt of all? Physical condition is not everything. You can be a great strong climber but going up that mountain unguided with a group of people with no previous experience in such expedition is very hazardous. I will keep my fingers crossed that you will all come back in one piece.

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#57040 - 04/05/11 07:45 PM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: Welle]
Geo-guy Offline
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Registered: 07/28/09
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Yeah...any you guys thought I was making this Siht up???? this is made for TV. It could be hosted by Bob Saget as one of those funniest video type shows.

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#57041 - 04/05/11 07:46 PM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: Geo-guy]
Geo-guy Offline
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In classic David Letterman style...here are my Top 10 reasons not to go on this trip:

10. "The route is clearly defined"

9. "...courses and certifications are over-rated"

8. "We can also go to the gunks and the catskills and top rope some ice so we can get proficient in climbing." ...the words "top rope" and "proficient" shouldn't be in the same sentence.

7. "Mt. Washington 5x times in -50, in preparation for K2."

6. Ok, so it's not Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard, but read the book: http://www.amazon.com/K2-Death-Worlds-Dangerous-Mountain/dp/0767932501 <http://www.amazon.com/K2-Death-Worlds-Dangerous-Mountain/dp/0767932501>

5. Whatever happened to the technical ascent up Pinnacle Gully?

4. "Diamox...will help minimize money-wasting acclimatization time."

3. "acclimatization baloney"... 'nuff said.

2. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/06/eveningnews/main4326308.shtml <http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/06/eveningnews/main4326308.shtml>

And the number one reason is...

1. "...we all have common sense so we will be fine."

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#57042 - 04/05/11 10:04 PM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: Geo-guy]
RangerRob Offline
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Registered: 06/06/00
Posts: 3765
Loc: Ulster County, NY
This is totally a troll. I just can't stomach the thought of there being these people in the world. It has to be a troll.

If it isn't...hey I'm gonna join that expedition and write a killer book!

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#57043 - 04/05/11 10:09 PM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: RangerRob]
oenophore Online   confused
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Sure -- if you can cruise MF, then K2 is a piece of cake.
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#57044 - 04/05/11 10:23 PM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: oenophore]
RangerRob Offline
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Registered: 06/06/00
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Loc: Ulster County, NY
if you can cruise MF in crampons and gloves at 8600 meters with a pack on.

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#57045 - 04/06/11 12:17 AM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: RangerRob]
yorick Offline
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No nylon. No down. No gas. It worked for Fritz.
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#57046 - 04/06/11 02:32 AM Re: Gunks as training ground for K2? [Re: yorick]
whatthegunks Offline
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Registered: 05/09/09
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Loc: High Falls, NY
CPR and beacons are all you need, guides are over rated. Awesome.

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