I hear ya Rich. Bloody Mary still takes everything I have, with all the modern conveniences. As always, props to the old dudes!

I once overheard Dave Craft talking about Turner, Craft said something to the effect of "He only carried about four f___in' pitons, and he didn't seem to know how to use them very well."

Triangle isn't a bad intro 9. I thought it was more fun than expected. Gear is good if you like old pins. One hard move to get the holds above the roof, then a couple steep moves with good holds and yer out.