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#59641 - 08/15/11 01:09 AM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: RangerRob]
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No, just that you consult Access Fund guidelines so that you don't ruin even more access for climbers.
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#59645 - 08/15/11 08:40 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: Advocacy group]
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What the heck are you talking about?? If I'mnot mistaken, I suggested that maybe you should try inviting some climbers onto your property. Even if I had anything to do with the Access Fund, what guideline is that violating?

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#59646 - 08/15/11 09:33 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: RangerRob]
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Try looking at the chronology of events. You start off with an antagonistic attitude only to later suggest that land be opened. This goes against practiced and well established access fund guidelines for obtaining access to private lands.

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#59647 - 08/15/11 10:32 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: Advocacy group]
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goddamnit Rob you're ruining it for everyone. it's all your fault. everything.
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#59666 - 08/16/11 07:27 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: Aya]
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Advo...how does making a suggestion to you about allowing some climbers access go against Access Fund guidelines? Please explain that to me. I started off this discussion in thr appropriate forum wanting to open a dialogue with you. But you are avoiding the issues.

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#59740 - 08/23/11 03:56 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: Advocacy group]
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Lets take a look at some of the Smiley legacy in the Shawangunk mountains.

1869 Mountain house purchased (40 guest total)

1879-1910 Mohonk mountain house expanded to 266 guest rooms.

1879 Cliff house hotel open at lake minnewaska

1881 Cliff house hotel expanded to accomodate 225 guests

1887 Wildmere hotel opens at lake Minnewaska

1907 Smiley bros gives easement to NYC ($25,000)for aqueduct allowing the blasting of a crag and the clear cutting, mining of and entire mountain.

1911 Wildmere hotel expanded to accomodate 350 guests

1921 Smiley memorial tower built (Skytop) along with three miles of paths.

1926 5 tennis courts, golf course, baseball diamond and hundreds of Gazebos built at Minnewaska

1998 New $2.8 million 9200 sq. ft. Visitor Center built.

2001 9375sq. ft. refrigerated ice rink opens at Mohonk

2005 30,000 sq. ft. spa opens at Mohonk

Of course this is only a partial list. Don't forget about the old visitor center, the many houses that surround the mountain house hotel, the trailer park, the various mining operations, 80 miles of roads, sewage and water use and cleaning agents associated with the day to day functioning of a hotel, the land sold for development, the mountain house golf course, the gas easements, the electrical easements that scar the ridge etc... Hardly pristine, hardly conservation minded, hardly occurring only in 1869!

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#59745 - 08/23/11 05:02 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: Advocacy group]
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Originally Posted By: Advocacy group
Lets take a look at some of the Smiley legacy in the Shawangunk mountains.

1869 Mountain house purchased (40 guest total)

1879-1910 Mohonk mountain house expanded to 266 guest rooms.

1879 Cliff house hotel open at lake minnewaska

1881 Cliff house hotel expanded to accomodate 225 guests

1887 Wildmere hotel opens at lake Minnewaska

1907 Smiley bros gives easement to NYC ($25,000)for aqueduct allowing the blasting of a crag and the clear cutting, mining of and entire mountain.

1911 Wildmere hotel expanded to accomodate 350 guests

1921 Smiley memorial tower built (Skytop) along with three miles of paths.

1926 5 tennis courts, golf course, baseball diamond and hundreds of Gazebos built at Minnewaska

1998 New $2.8 million 9200 sq. ft. Visitor Center built.

2001 9375sq. ft. refrigerated ice rink opens at Mohonk

2005 30,000 sq. ft. spa opens at Mohonk

Of course this is only a partial list. Don't forget about the old visitor center, the many houses that surround the mountain house hotel, the trailer park, the various mining operations, 80 miles of roads, sewage and water use and cleaning agents associated with the day to day functioning of a hotel, the land sold for development, the mountain house golf course, the gas easements, the electrical easements that scar the ridge etc... Hardly pristine, hardly conservation minded, hardly occurring only in 1869!

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Thanks, MPNA
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#59746 - 08/23/11 05:06 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: Advocacy group]
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That's some mighty fine conservation going on........
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#59748 - 08/23/11 05:16 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: Advocacy group]
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I wonder what the total parking lot footprint is? The one large parking lot that is north west of the hotel seems to have a footprint as large as the hotel. Can anyone figure out how many acres of roads the Smiley family has put in?

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#59757 - 08/23/11 06:54 PM Re: MohonkPreserveNeighborsAssociation Redux [Re: Advocacy group]
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If you take the average of 85 miles of carriage roads at 12' wide (conservative), you would end up with about 124 acres of roadway. This of course does not take into account all of the paved roadway leading to the Mountain House or the many parking lots of both the Mountain House and Mohonk Preserve.
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