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There is more people soloing at the Gunks than you think …

When people witness a rock fall, they think it's a freak accident. After the rock hits the ground people just forget about it and go back to what they were doing, and the rock, he just sits there. But the truth is that it happens all the time, I have witnessed literally hundreds of rocks fall off the cliff.

I wish I watched all these rocks, how mental block rolled around into the place where you can now climb stupid crack vertically. Did it happen so perceptually slow people could not see it, or did it happen fast? The Trapps sit on shale, you can see that right away if you go over to the Nears. That means all the rocks you see on the ground are rocks that have fallen and rolled off the cliff at some point. Anyone who puts up a new route is going to have to deal with loose rocks.

But that's not the only danger. Without warning here you have people on bikes with dogs running behind them and people falling out of the sky. What happens if your toddler falls over the edge of the carriage road onto his head in the confusion? Will he break his head or will he break his back or will he break his neck?, who knows. You would have to deal with being potentially charged with endangering the welfare of a minor. Ten feet is a long way to fall head first without a rope. Stoopid and company would be better understood if they posted something about this.

Some people believe in getting a small hard hat and the toddler leash. I say instead, go home and buy a sand box and some sand, your kids will never know the difference. Those are the size rocks your kids want to be playing with anyway.

Don, if you click on "edit" at the bottom of your personal post, you'll now see an additional button, "delete post". It will remove the entire post completely.

After a few views the delete post is disabled, yet the "edit post" still works. My choices are sometimes limited.

There is a 24 hour life of a post wherein it may be deleted by the poster. But if there's a reply, only the content thereof is deleted.

Ah, live and learn.

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John Young points to "Survival of the Fittist" 5.13a Lost City, Mohonk Preserve, Shawangunks/Gunks NY Brian Kim prepares to lead the route.

http://mattcalardo.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/MCP-Portfolio/G0000DStgn2qgwgI/I0000kABpcWzBlCc

Originally put up by Scott Franklin in traditional style (he banged pins in from the ground up), this hard, technical route has become a popular top-rope testpiece in the Gunks. It was also the site of the first free-solo of a 5.13 by an American (also Franklin). The crack immediately to the right, is Persistence 5.11b/c, first climbed by John Stannard. The blank wall right of the crack is home to Mantronix 5.13d FFA Jerry Moffat photographer: Nicolas Falacci

http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos/Misc/Survival_of_the_Fittest_21049.html

Searching Rui Ferreira>Lost City, Gunks at picasaweb.google.com https://picasaweb.google.com/109847866880521794057/LostCityGunks

Brings up a photo guide to Lost City and Servival

https://picasaweb.google.com/109847866880521794057/LostCityGunks#5462993511034019634

The Lost City - Gunks, NY
http://www.summitpost.org/the-lost-city-gunks-ny/611988

But why do you keep doing this? Do you lack conviction in what you write? Maybe drafting it first before posting could help. Or are you merely trying to be annoying?

Ah, right you are. Things used to be the way I outlined above. I tested this with a junk first post followed by a reply. I deleted the reply, which allowed me to delete the initial post. So if one wishes to delete a replied-to post, the replyer(s) must first cooperate by deleting their replies. This becomes quite tangled if the replies have replies.