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#61477 - 11/19/11 12:59 PM Re: modern times Beta [Re: tls]
Rickster Online   content
old hand

Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 845
Loc: Orange Cty, NY
Originally Posted By: tls


4. 40 ft. Climb to notch in overhang and surmount. Traverse right, scared shitless, to large pine.

5. 30 ft. Climb from pine tree to top."

Now, I would not describe the tree in the middle of the business on MT as "large". So I suppose it was then so small as to not even rate mention, and one was simply to "traverse right, scared shitless" past where the obvious tree is now)

Through the final hangs and traverses, two trees are mentioned in Blue Dick. In Gray Dick's MT description only the larger tree (post crux) way off to the right is described and also visible in the guide photos. The smaller tree in question is mentioned only in regards to the start of the Exit Stage Left variation. Dick has wisely left that tree out of the description for the regular MT.

I suppose if people intially "hand" traverse too far right they run into Variation 2 at 10a and not the listed 5.8+?

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#61479 - 11/19/11 01:37 PM Re: modern times Beta [Re: rg@ofmc]
jakedatc Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 10/18/06
Posts: 241
Originally Posted By: rg@ofmc
Gotta love it when someone argues that MT is not sandbagged at 5.8 by comparing it to a 5.9 route somewhere else...


many traddies from NY and N conway puff up and say Rumney is softly graded.. so.. there you go.


Edited by jakedatc (11/19/11 01:38 PM)

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#61482 - 11/20/11 10:36 PM Re: modern times Beta [Re: Mark Heyman]
RangerRob Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/06/00
Posts: 3764
Loc: Ulster County, NY
I wonder if there used to be a white pine on the topout ledge. If you read that description it would not lead one to the pine growing out of the alcove. Any oldtimers out there care to chime in? RG?

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#61499 - 11/21/11 06:45 PM Re: modern times Beta [Re: RangerRob]
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old hand

Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 845
Loc: Orange Cty, NY
RR, As mentioned above, both the description, and photos show a large pine way off to the right from the "alcove" alcove tree. I don't have a clue if it is still there.

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#61509 - 11/21/11 08:37 PM Re: modern times Beta [Re: Rickster]
rg@ofmc Offline
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Registered: 12/25/99
Posts: 2467
Loc: Poughkeepsie, NY
There used to be a pine tree out right---it is most visible in the route photo in Red Dick.

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