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#62278 - 01/14/12 07:09 PM
New Cliff
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Registered: 06/27/11
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Loc: New Jersey
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I want to reconstruct a 50' section of one of the rock climbs in the United States out of cement and perhaps used bricks. I want to use granite for the hand holds. It would be used to climb on and as a model for sales and duplication in other places. If you have some property you can donate for this project please let me know. The project would weigh around 40 Tons and in the end you would own it. It would be engineered as a permanent structure and would need a concrete foundation and perhaps a building permit, depending on where you live.
This would be shaped somewhat like a boulder and be more aesthetically pleasing to climb on than a traditional climbing wall, however, there would only be one climb on it. The climb I am thinking of is around 5.12. If you are interested in helping with the construction and or the building materials, that would be even better.
Edited by donald perry (01/14/12 07:16 PM)
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#62279 - 01/15/12 12:18 AM
Re: New Cliff
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#62280 - 01/15/12 07:59 AM
Re: New Cliff
[Re: donald perry]
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Registered: 06/29/11
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I want to reconstruct a 50' section of one of the rock climbs in the United States out of cement and perhaps used bricks. I want to use granite for the hand holds. It would be used to climb on and as a model for sales and duplication in other places. If you have some property you can donate for this project please let me know. The project would weigh around 40 Tons and in the end you would own it. It would be engineered as a permanent structure and would need a concrete foundation and perhaps a building permit, depending on where you live.
This would be shaped somewhat like a boulder and be more aesthetically pleasing to climb on than a traditional climbing wall, however, there would only be one climb on it. The climb I am thinking of is around 5.12. If you are interested in helping with the construction and or the building materials, that would be even better. Show us a portfolio of the your most recent 6 - 10 of these that you've built so we know we're not signing up for a 40 ton eyesore.
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#62283 - 01/15/12 03:33 PM
Re: New Cliff
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Registered: 06/27/11
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Loc: New Jersey
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I have an engineer, there would be drawings. Here are some references:
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#62284 - 01/15/12 03:37 PM
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I suppose that if it is square there should be four climbs on it. The other three could be done later. I have some very good reasons for this project, other then it will be fantastic to climb on, but I do not want to print them out on the internet. I need some property to do this first and I am sure some companies would be interested in having copies of this as a show piece. However, it may be that the aesthetics of it may only be completely appreciated only by climbers like you and me  600 # Lintel Replacement project 200' AGL. We put red bricks inside the beams.
Edited by donald perry (01/15/12 05:39 PM)
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#62287 - 01/15/12 04:32 PM
Re: New Cliff
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You're missing the point. Show us examples of artificial rock work you've done in the past. Not construction and structural jobs, but fabricated rock that looks natural and aesthetic. Not bricks stuffed into an I-beam and not a list of references. No one wants to donate land for 40 tons of ugly.
Oh, and learn how to rotate pictures in your image editor before posting them.
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#62289 - 01/15/12 04:59 PM
Re: New Cliff
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Registered: 06/27/11
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 "No one wants to donate land for 40 tons of ugly." Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What I am trying to do is duplicate the moves and difficulty of climbs that are our of reach, for what ever reason, so that if you put a blindfold on, you would never know the difference. Now I could make a duplicate, we have the capabilities for this, but I think it may be unnecessary to go any farther than what I have already intended. I want something that is as the original climb, effective, and easy to reproduce. If you do not see any beauty in that, then we are talking about two completely different objectives. http://vimeo.com/scanlab/bartlett-summer-show-2010-3d-scanWhat do would you want, 100 reproductions in your back yard or just 1? How much do you want to make this project, $200,000.00? I am trying to cut costs down to around $3,000.00. I want to come up with something durable and equally practical. And Personally, I don't like working with fiberglass, and I think it is a mistake anyway.
Edited by donald perry (01/15/12 05:24 PM)
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#62290 - 01/15/12 05:18 PM
Re: New Cliff
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 "No one wants to donate land for 40 tons of ugly." Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What I am trying to do is duplicate the moves and difficulty of climbs that are our of reach, for what ever reason, so that if you put a blindfold on, you would never know the difference. Now I could make a duplicate, we have the capabilities for this, but I think it may be unnecessary to go any farther than what I have already intended. I want something that is as the original climb, effective, and easy to reproduce. If you do not see any beauty in that, then we are talking about two completely different objectives. http://vimeo.com/scanlab/bartlett-summer-show-2010-3d-scanWhat do would you want? 100 reproductions in your back yard or just 1? What I want is examples of your work that show your skill and talent at being able to do this aesthetically. Judging by your posting photos of rotting industrial artifacts and your evasive answers, I suspect you don't have the skills necessary to create a pleasing artificial rock structure.
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#62291 - 01/15/12 05:25 PM
Re: New Cliff
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Registered: 06/27/11
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Loc: New Jersey
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You are right, it will be ugly in comparison to the real thing, there is no getting around that regardless. But the climbing on granite rock will be very durable and very similar. Yet, for what I have in mind, it will look awesome in comparison to what you find in any gym, trust me.
BTW, do you think you could stem up those clay arches or mantel on that ugly cast iron dome?
Edited by donald perry (01/15/12 08:27 PM)
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